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[–] macattack@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Man, how bad do movie industry execs have to be to make us root for Reddit

[–] db2@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Nah, fuck both. I'm not going to cheer for the lesser evil in a crowd.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

May they attempt to sort their differences on an ill-designed submarine, and let nature take it's course!

[–] PrettyLights@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Loving the upvotes on this Lemmy World, let's make sure we apply it to political discussions as well!

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago (5 children)

So how would that work with Lemmy? If a company demands the IP of users?

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 23 points 8 months ago

Guess that depends on the instance. Mine will sadly have a technical issue which corrupted the database.

[–] recursive_recursion@programming.dev 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

For our instance we've answered that here:

Reddit might be forced to hand out IPs of users frequenting piracy subreddits: how does programming.dev compare?

edit: just wanted to share a great observation that was made by UlrikHD in our admin channel:

"So if a company wanted to demand the ip of every member on a piracy community, they would have to contact every instance federated with that community then
good to know"

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Instance owners would have way, way fewer resources and almost definitely need to just capitulate. Assuming they even had the info to share, though.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 8 months ago

You can offer access to Lemmy over Tor

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I believe the rules wouldn't apply. Usually when a company is asked to provide data and they refuse they are forced to shut down. But since Lemmy is decentralized, I believe if the cops were to ask someone to provide the IP of a user, they can just say no and shut down the server at least temporarily, and then possibly bring it back up under a new domain and ip.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 8 months ago (4 children)

IANAL but withholding evidence from a court order can hold you in contempt of court. I remember hearing a story of a person who was accused of having CSAM on an encrypted hard drive, and refused to decrypt it, and is in jail until he decrypts it. Just because you're a person doesn't mean you can ignore a warrant.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

information itself is a liability. best to have a policy of 'we keep no IPs in logs, so are happy to hand over whatever'.. dump data the moment you dont require it

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

yeah, this sounds like a much more sustainable solution. Do it the way signal does it. Collect as little as necessary, and delete it as soon as you dont need it.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just store what logs you need on a ram drive. The logs will be gone the instant the server shuts down and there is no way to recover them.

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Downsides include : if any intrusion happens on the server, red team just needs to reboot it to wipe evidence.

[–] Perhyte@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If they have the root access typically needed to reboot a server^1^ they could also just wipe the logs without rebooting.

^1^: GUIs typically have a way to reboot without such privileges, but those are typically not installed on machines just used as servers.

[–] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago

Good to know. They should implement no log policies then

[–] Davel23@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

I looked into that guy somewhat recently, he was in jail for something like five years then eventually released. Kind of a sickening situation all around.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago

Imagine contempt of court but you don’t live in the US

[–] esserstein@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

With the federation does that also mean that the ip records are replicated? Because that would be a lot of parties that can be threatened, with only one required to give in...

[–] sir_reginald@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I could be wrong, but I believe you only disclose your IP to your Lemmy instance.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Don’t browse lemmy with your naked IP. This isn’t the 90s. When using the Internet, wear a condom.

[–] Nighed@sffa.community 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes, give your browsing history to the shady VPN company instead.

Although that would help in this situation.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Shady? I only use VPNs from known companies, like Sony.

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[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

At most you will get some targeted ads (if you use "free" ones), compared to fines and jail, I say it's a good trade-off.

[–] Johanno@feddit.de 10 points 8 months ago

As long you don't do the "known illegal" stuff you don't need a VPN.

However if you upload copyrighted material a vpn is one of very many steps to ensure that the police won't get you. A VPN alone does not provide any security. It delays at best the police

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

surely it costs more to fight this dogshit legal battle, both in money and PR, than to simply let enthusiasts watch your films. they're already handsomely profiting, why do these fucking pigheaded hogs think it is their right, it is their duty to wring out every cent they can? fuck off.

[–] Lath@kbin.social 21 points 8 months ago

Because as lawyers, the longer the battles, the more money they make.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

As Chairman Mao used to say: punish one, educate 100. Same mindset.

[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Pirates will always find a way. These companies are just wasting time and money.

[–] ugjka@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Use something like Mullvad for everything so that ip adresses don't matter

[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Yup Mullvad FTW.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Man even in the 90's nobody was scared of having their IP address known because there's not a helluva lot you can do with one anyway, and the average regular person is using a dynamic one that resolves to a local CO and not usually their actual home address.

It was quite normal to scare the normies by having a forum signature that displayed the IP address of the machine loading the page because something that basic was enough to make them think you were a hacking wizard.

Those who were especially paranoid, used proxies (maybe VPNs but I never even heard that term until NordVPN started advertising all over the place).

[–] halva@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

VPNs are a weird term because practically they're used for an entirely different purpose (making virtual networks as the name implies)

What advertises itself as VPNs are usually just proxies based on popular VPN protocols.

[–] Droechai@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can you use a VPN service like you did Hamachi for retro lan gaming?

[–] halva@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

VPN as in proper VPN, yeah, that's what they're used for among other things. Hamachi is a VPN service.

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

In the 90s everyone could find out your address by looking your name up in the white pages.

Americans became crazy after 9/11 and the patriot act.

Also, don’t use NordVPN. Worst VPN service by a long shot.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

What? Now I can more easily find it in an online directory.

[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just like having something to protect yourself if you go to a sketchy area, make sure you only visit Reddit from behind a VPN.

[–] achance4cheese@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

I don’t know if it was VPN or using uBo but the last time I tried viewing content on my Linux setup all I saw was the whoa there pardner page.

[–] pl_woah@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Reddit blocks VPNs on desktop...