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Turkey published a measure approving Sweden's membership in NATO in its official gazette on Thursday, finalizing the ratification that brings the previously nonaligned country a step closer to joining the military alliance

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Now we wait for fucking Hungary and their bullshit. *rolls eyes to the back of the head*

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Hungary said they were only still doing it because Turkey still was

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

After Turkey voted to admit Sweden, Mr. Orban on Wednesday said he would push Hungary’s Parliament to follow suit but gave no timeline and repeated a longstanding assertion that legislators make their own decisions. [...] Hungary repeatedly promised that it would not be the last country to accept Sweden and has advanced a wide range of different reasons for its foot-dragging. These include gripes about teaching materials in Swedish schools, complaints about years-old comments made by Mr. Kristersson and members of his cabinet, and scheduling difficulties.

NYT article

“It has nothing to do with Sweden now, it has nothing to do with Turkey now. It’s merely Orbán’s personal attitude,” [said Agnes Vadai]. “It shows that he's driven not by political rationale, but by personal vanity. There is no gain for Hungary in this game anymore, because it's a game that he's playing.”

AP News article

They've said many things. Let's hope they stand by their word.

[–] Fudoshin@feddit.uk 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

rolls eyes to the back of the head

Are you alright? You appear to be having a seizure. :/

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Yes, regressive politics usually does it for me. We're lucky it wasn't a stroke this time.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

amazing he could still type while he was seizing, one for the books

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Now that they've blackmailed for the F-16s I guess they're done undermining the alliance.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Wait till the US announces that they will sell F-35 to Greece. Greece has already submitted a Letter of Request for a Letter of Acceptance for at least 20 F-35(and an option for another 20). And now that Sweden is in NATO, the US might announce the deal(probably alongside the turkish F-16), but i expect Turkey to REEEEEEEEEE.

I think the most likely scenario is that the US will sell F-35 to Greece but will delay the delivery till after 2030, when in theory Turkey will have its own "domestically" designed stealth jet(or so Turkey claims). This way the balance of power wont change too drastically.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, didn't know Greece was getting F-35s. And yeah no doubt Erdogan Will throw a hissy fit, but he's the reason turkey won't get F-35s.

Terrible ally, but still understandable that NATO wants to keep them.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/greece-get-us-draft-letter-approving-purchase-f-35-jets-sources-2024-01-26/

Not even a day after, the US leaks Greece will get the F-35. As i said, it was all in the same bundle, Sweden joining NATO, Turkish F-16 and Greek F-35.

Though the article says "Athens expects deliveries of the jets to begin in 2027-2028". If thats the case, then things are even worse than expected for Turkey.

As a Greek i am happy because there was a low but non 0% chance Turkey would invade Greece and grab a few islands but after the West's strong reaction to Ukraine and now Greece getting F-35, that chance is now much closer to 0%.

No wonder Erdogan visited Greece recently and was so "friendly". A big change from the older Erdogan threatening Greece "we might come one night" and "our missiles can reach Athens now".

I guess that was part of the deal, to show that he is no longer threatening Greece in order to get the F-16 and the American engines and other parts for his "Turkish" stealth plane.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Great analysis. I'm happy for you that you're able to defend yourselves better with the F-35.

Would be nice to see Erdogan replaced by a good leader who can promote peace instead of his authoritarian games and threats.

[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago
[–] Anamana@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago

It's just good old opportunism