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Letter: Trump seems more like the false prophet in the Bible than the “Anointed One” (www.sltrib.com)
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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 43 points 8 months ago (3 children)

He really does check all the boxes.

Deception - committing direct electoral fraud, defamation, his nicknames, really everything he says is deceptive in some form to some degree

Promoting evil deeds - inciting violence, racism, normalizing rape

Idolatry - trump has christians idolizing him and praying to him directly

Persecution of believers - he's telling christians he's tricked into following him that real medicine is bad and taking medication that gives them heart attacks and injecting bleach will save them

I'm not Christian beeteedubs, just a fan of irony

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

not prosecuting rape is what normalizes rape.

/hair split

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago

Apt username

[–] athos77@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Persecution of believers

What's the passage on that one? Could it mean trumpWorshippers persecuting people who actually believe in the kindness and support tenets of Christianity but who aren't [MAGAts || Christians]?

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

2 Timothy 3:12, taking about the end times, and it certainly could be interpreted that way:

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

points to Revelation to where the false prophet rises to unlimited power

Fuck.

[–] BillDaCatt@kbin.social 13 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Those red hats do seem to have a "mark of the beast" flair to them. They aren't the permanent mark indicated in Revelation 13:16, but I think if you wear it every day it may as well be.

I'm not a Christian, but his followers certainly are. I wonder how they don't see it?

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago

The Bible also says the mark is required to do business, like buying food at the store. The similarities are interesting, but it's not like you can't apply many of them to other terrible leaders throughout history. And since Revelation is actually referring to Rome and Nero, it makes sense why the author is able to encapsulate the concept of "terrifying leader" so well.

But to your point, they don't see it, because like everything in religion, you can pick and choose what you like. That's why there's so many sects of Christianity, and why at least one scholar calls Trump's version "American Fundamentalism." Trump is the messiah they've been waiting for.

They don't see it, because they don't want to.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Omg totally. It's like a brand. But not that kind, that it also is. Oh, snap. That's the etymology of the modern use of the word... Huh.. TIL as I type this....

But yeah, that describes how I viscerally respond to seeing it. They needn't have the rest of their face if it were a 666 on the forehead, it'd be all you see. Same w the hats now. Face is irrelevant. Hat says enough.

[–] DeepFriedDresden@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

I think they don't see it because the people who support Trump and see him as a harbinger of prosperity are the same people who take the Bible at face value and are already of the belief that should the Rapture come tomorrow, they certainly won't be left below.

They believe in the wrathful God of the Old Testament, they are fundamentalists and they are a far cry from what good Christians can be. Should Jesus come tomorrow, these people would have him lynched as a pinko liberal, labeling him the antichrist.

They're not Christian because they have read the Bible and learned to love thy neighbor and become a righteous person, they are Christian because they have been told a lake of hellfire awaits those who don't accept Jesus and they were indoctrinated into the religion of Revelations. They've been fed the cherry-picked apples of knowledge by pastors with agendas and never challenged the version of God they were given.

Trumps persecution by the state and mainstream politics fuels this fire. Surely if he were the antichrist he would not have been challenged by the DOJ and "anti-christian" liberals. In their minds, his path to the white house, as a leader of men, parallels Jesus.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago

The book of Revelations is purely about the Romans and more specifically about Nero. His name was coded as the number of the beast. The evangelistic types have twisted the story to be about the end of times or some future anti-christ but it was all just code talk about the time they were living in. They defined what an anti-christ would be like because the Roman Emperors were the real deal.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago

It's permanent in the sense that once someone sees you in it they'll never look at you the same.

[–] Haus@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

Er, howabout nothing supernatural, just a dying narcissist?

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

False prophet? He seems more like the epitome of Satan. Except without the intelligence or logic.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Satan gave humans knowledge, while God punished all of humanity for attaining it. Satan wants you to love yourself and do the things that make you happy. God wants you to become an ascetic and live in subjugation to his desires.

Sounds more like the epitome of Yahweh than Satan.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well I'm not religious and to me all of it is nonsense, so there's no actual god or satan or jesus. But to me, Satan would be the one who keeps you FROM knowledge and understanding, and the one who fills the world with misinformation.

Any god worth being called a "god" would want you to love yourself and do the things that make you happy. And that is not trump or his followers. They DO want you to live in subjugation to their desires. Call it by whatever name, it is inhumane and to me, it's insane to want trump back in public office.

[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The post above you was taking about the biblical Satan (for as much as there is any biblical consensus). Lucifer literally means light bringer, he brought enlightenment to humans and they were eternally punished for it.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social -1 points 8 months ago

Such a sad and disgusting concept, that humans should ever be punished for having gained enlightenment. Another reason I could never accept such horrifying ideas, what sort of god would allow that to be the case. That's terrible.

[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

The main flaw in this article is that they're comparing Trump's book to God's book, and both were ghostwritten.

[–] june@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Been saying that for 8 years.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Duh, moving on

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

He's the Anti-Christ in like every way. But he's white, so it's all good.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yuck! At least Nicolae Carpathia from Left Behind was good looking and not an orange turd.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The three of us on Lemmy that get that joke are all ROLLING.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Confirmed.

I wished I didn't get it. But all that rot is behind me now.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago

Just for some context here. In the US, Christianity is everyday, more an identity than a religion. The "evangelicals" that support Trump overwhelmingly don't attend services, don't read the Bible, and don't pray unless they're in trouble. The evangelical movement has been cooped by the Republican party so thoroughly, that there isn't much difference between conservative politics and Christian belief in the average worshiper's mind. Christianity is the justification for having power, not the ethic of how to wield it.

I'm not playing "true Scotsman", or trying to define what a Christian ought to be. I'm just posting this for the people who are mystified at the disconnect between the teachings of Jesus and the support for regressive and hateful politics.

It's ironic that apotheoses of the individual, so central to modern conservative thought is antithetical to patriotism, faith, and family values.

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Any “Christian” who supports Trump will undoubtedly burn in Hell for… …an eternity

No big deal

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't do that, they are Christians. These people are the ugly side to Christianity, own it and fix it, don't push them off as "not real Christians" cause they very much are

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

They may think themselves to be “Christians”, however they are diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ.

They will burn like dried cedar.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the false prophet supposed to be well-spoken and physically attractive, though?