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The Absurdity of the Return-to-Office Movement::The return-to-office demands make little sense from an overall economic perspective, while working parents, in particular, benefit from not having to waste time commuting to an office, writes Peter Bergen.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 67 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Biden just did this to federal agencies...

For no real reason, Republicans wanted it, but as soon as Biden did it, they shut up about it. Democrats don't brag about it, because democratic voters hate it.

There was zero reason for it.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The number one thing conservatives hate is "Other People Having Agency" and other people not "Living By My Rules (that I don't actually follow myself)."

People working at home and not having to be treated like a child who has to ask permission for a bathroom break is just too much for them to bear. If employees aren't risking health issues by holding their piss in or just straight pissing themselves, they can't handle it.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they literally can't give Dems credit for anything. So all Biden did was piss off every federal employee that isn't maga.

And the fucked up part is they legitimately have to vote Biden.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And the fucked up part is they legitimately have to vote Biden.

Yeah, leave it to the Democrats to abuse their own voting blocks, and then berate them if Republicans win, blaming it on the voters.

I'm sorry but it's literally abuse to hold Trump and Fascism over our heads basically saying if we don't "stop him at the ballot box" that they have no plans to stop him otherwise. If he wins, even illegitimately, these milquetoast fucking babies will be the first on a plane out of the country to leave the rest of us to suffer under a despotic regime.

It's abuse, and it's sickening that I have to vote for people who are abusing me and threatening me with fascism if I don't go along with their half-ass gotta-please-the-conservatives stupid bullshit. It's just like with Israel, we're supposed to be supporting the Democrats, but they're literally supporting the Israeli version of Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu. Like, why are we supposed to trust they'll have any balls when all they do is make nice with fucking fascists and try to give them what they want? Did anyone with half a brain expect anything other than straight genocide from Netanyahu? Because the Democrats have no balls so they'll glad-hand his fascist genocidal ass and tell us we need to vote for them to stop fascism, as if they're not enabling it in Israel.

[–] StereoTrespasser@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

The reason Biden did it is because his donors wanted it..

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[–] loopgru@slrpnk.net 25 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Remote work forever, and repurpose the useless office buildings into conveniently located downtown living space to help ease housing shortages and drive urban density.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Then you need mass transit to pick up the slack, otherwise there's just as much pollution and waste.

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I don't get it. You need mass transit to stay home?

[–] loopgru@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago

Living downtown typically means a lot more walking, biking, and public transit, precisely because you're there in the middle of everything. When you've got everything from grocery stores, pubs, cafes, parks, cultural attractions, etc all within walking distance, your need to drive anywhere becomes occasional at most.

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I generally don't care about going to the office, it's not a problem, but what my company did was to hire 3x as many people as before the pandemic and simply move to hot desk system instead of expanding the office. So now we have more people but less desks and less parking spots. We have to use some app to make reservations and it's just a constant struggle to book a desk so that I can sit next to guy I don't know talking on a video call all day. What's the fucking point?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago

What if one were to... reserve a desk and proceed to work from home? Possibly with a custom background that looks like the office :P

[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ours made everyone come back to work at one office if they live within 60 miles. Datacenter floor is collapsing. Two areas are closed due to vermin being exterminated. Charmed life.

[–] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

my wife has to go in 3 days a week as of January. she's off this week as she said, quoth: "The fan that kept making more and more noise finally stopped working so I'm home all this week"

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 13 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


We have met in person only twice in the year that the production has been up and running, and we have put out dozens of highly produced episodes, often featuring multiple guests, which go through many rounds of edits.

Banks like Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase and tech giants like Meta are demanding that their staff be back at the office several days a week.

Those return-to-office demands are often couched in non-falsifiable claims about the necessity of having chance encounters at the office where folks bounce creative, productive ideas off of each other.

The return-to-office demands also make little sense from an overall economic perspective at a time when a third of Americans who can do their job remotely now only work from home, up from only 7% before Covid, according to the Pew Research Center, yet the economy is very strong in terms of low unemployment and GDP growth.

This arrangement gives me a lot more time to spend with my kids, and if there is any kind of unforeseen emergency, I can be there for them in a way that, during the era of the office, I couldn’t be.

In fact, I have written several hundred of these columns over the past dozen years and I have never met most of the editors I work with, and yet I still have a warm, productive relationship with them.


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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rich people are having their fee-fees hurt because no one wants to (unnecessarily) come to the office

[–] JonEFive@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago

Rich people's real estate investments would lose value if we suddenly didn't need massive office buildings.

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Did we really need spmeone to say this? Is it not self evident? If a company requires hybrid work for me it's a huge red flag

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