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The GOP Doesn’t Want to Punish Trans People—It Wants to Eradicate Them (newrepublic.com)

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[–] CultHero@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago (4 children)

The Republicans have been playing by the nazi playbook for a long time now.

Nazis didn't start with the Jews. They knew they couldn't get away with rounding up an entire ethnic group. They started with the LGBTQ community. They dehumanized lgbtq people in the eyes of the public and made it seem like they were doing it for the good of a pure and powerful Germany. When that worked they realized how easy it was to dehumanize an entire population in the eyes of the public and used the same tactics against Jews, Roma etc.

When you think about it the lgbtq community is the first line of defence protecting democracy because they are the most vulnerable and easiest to demonize. Once it's ok to eradicate one group of people it becomes so much easier to do the same to larger groups.

It won't stop at lgbtq people, they will keep eradicating every minority until they're actually stopped by force. So far they've gone after trans people, gay marriage, women's reproductive rights and have even talked about overturning Loving vs Virginia. Their goal is a straight, white, "Christian" male utopia.

[+] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

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[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm starting to believe that human nature just always tends toward fascist tendencies. It's a constant battle against this shit, and it's exhausting. Then every ~100 years or so, the people who fought against it last die out, and everyone forgets what fascism does to a nation and the cycle repeats.

I'm tired.

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago

Studies of authoritarian personalities (specifically, authoritarian followers: the kind who show up to Trump's rallies to cheer, not Trump himself) show that there is probably a genetic component to this and dealing with these people is probably always going to be a struggle for humanity.

However: it's probably more that the tendency is genetic. Exposure to novelty and life experience (or generally: lack of those things) are big factors in terms of someone actually adopting these ideas

Unfortunately it's not a field that gets a huge amount of study.

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Human lifespans are short and most humans need to learn lessons firsthand. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a cyclical pattern for humanity. Hell, the Roman Republic was founded by a hard working group of people that wanted to escape the tyranny of the Etruscan kings that dominated the region. And Rome was hijacked by a tyranical emperor in the end, leading to a slow decline over the years.

[–] maypull@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

the poem starts "first they came for the communists"

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

LGBT and communists were attacked at around the same time based on my knowledge of events, but is it really a surprise that the LGBT would be excluded from recognition based on the dominate cultures of the time?

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It depends on how you count.

Germany went through a Communist revolution immediately after (and a little bit during) WW1. The Communists won and took over Germany, getting rid of the monarchy. The far right in Germany went fucking wild with rage, a level of anger that really has no parallel in the modern US, and "cleansed" Germany. The Weimar Republic was formed roughly in the wake of that.

But that wasn't the Nazis, though many of the people involved in that did go on to become Nazis.

The Nazis did sorta go after queer, and specifically transgender, people first. (And "degenerate art"!)

The Weimar Republic, for its many, many, many faults (seriously here it's hard to overstate) did grow out of a Communist revolution even if it betrayed that revolution. They were actually issuing permits for people to live their lives as a different gender, similar to our modern conception of getting your paperwork changed in the US. One of the first things the Nazis did when they took over was to strike those permits down. (Or simply prosecute the people who held them. Or simply straight up murder them.)

[–] maypull@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

is it really a surprise that the LGBT would be excluded from recognition based on the dominate cultures of the time?

I don't know what this is supposed to mean

[–] frezik@midwest.social 0 points 8 months ago

The poem in question was by Martin Niemöller, who was a Lutheran pastor. It's not surprising that he'd write LGBTQ+ people out.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you think Pastor Neimoller would have a problem with them coming for the trans people?

[–] maypull@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

he didn't have a problem with any of it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I mean when he wrote the poem.

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[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Their goal is power.

Being Christian, white, straight, and/or male is just a means to an end.

If they have to collectively suck the cocks of a bunch of gay guys if it will give them power, they'll do it and then execute them saying they were tricked.

[–] StinkyOnions@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I'm sure they would suck dick voluntarily.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

And here we are watching a spike in Antisemitism and a push for laws that strip trans people of their ability to lead their lives.

History repeats itself, we've just become too stupid to read the history books and get our information from tik tok now.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 8 months ago (8 children)

and yet people will still say both sides are the same

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 22 points 8 months ago

Fascism always needs a group to blame. Everything has to be someone else’s fault.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Transfolks: Be sure to get your passport squared away. Just in case we gotta jump ship.

[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Apply for visas now. Pack your bug out bag and be ready to drive to Mexico on a moments notice. Better 10 years too early than a day too late

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I can't believe we're at this point, but yes. I'm close ish to the Canadian border and I'm a homeowner making good money but the minute I can't get hormones I'm gone. Never thought I'd have to live with this kind of anxiety in the US.

[–] theblueredditrefugee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Keep in mind Mexico has far laxer border security especially if crossing by land (they didn't even check my passport). So don't get discouraged if Canada turns you away, though there is a slight language barrier with Mexico (nothing translator apps can't handle, and a lot of the words are the same due to the etymology)

Personality I'm already out bc I figure the US is just going to gradually get worse and I'd much rather apply for a visa than asylum

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

people should look into expats as well as that is a good place to start

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

“i sTILl not goNna vOtE” average disillusioned leftie

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"I don't like Trump, but Biden just doesn't excite me..."

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[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

gEnOcIDe JoE

Except Trump will be 1000x worse with respect to Israel. And not voting for Biden might as well be a vote for Trump.

[–] Human@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

To all the upvoters: Average disillusioned leftie here.

Saying "I won't support Biden in the primary." is not the same as "i sTILl not goNna vOtE”.

I do not want ANY GOP to win any power, ever, anywhere.

We were saved by the young vote in the midterms and Biden has almost entirely lost those voters. Like it or not Biden is deeply unpopular. And I believe Biden would likely lose to Trump.

So how is pleading for a candidate from the DNC who stands a better chance at winning against the GOP an irrational position?

Please reexamine your politics - I am not your enemy.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yep. And we are just as much of people as everyone else. Our elimination won’t be bloodless. And once they get a taste for blood they won’t stop and they’ll be harder to stop since their political violence is now established

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's LGBT now, hispanics later, black people much later, then probably just Democrats in general.

Anyone who isn't white, Christian, and Republican isn't welcome. And if you're not a man, you're not in control.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Hope they like laser induced permanent blindness.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Yup. I agreed with the last 20 publications who tried to raise the alarm too.

[–] not_woody_shaw@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

And next, the left-handed.

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

The GOP wants to be the demons of their fanciful hell who administer your "eternal punishment"

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Article misspelled 'anyone that's not like them'.

[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Anti-Trans bills in the US. I found a website that tracks Anti-trans bills, giving a breakdown of how many are active, passed, and failed this year so far.

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

~~I'm not sure Mike Dewine is the best face for the top photo in this article. Sure he's a Republican governor in a state dominated by a Republican legislature that just passed a large bill targeted specifically transgender youth but he also vetoed that bill stating “I continue to believe it is in the best interests of children for these medical decisions to be made by the child’s parents and not by the government”. He might have it in for the older trans community but right now he seems like he not towing the party line here.~~

Nevermind, fuck this dude.

[–] Cogency@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

He turned right around and put many of the same bans in an executive order, and his veto was overturned. he's not in any way an ally. He was just trying to look more moderate than he is. https://www.acluohio.org/en/press-releases/governor-dewines-executive-order-de-facto-ban-transgender-care

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Yeah on second look seeing the new proposals for restrictions fuck him.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago

he signed another transphobic bill recently

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Why the fuq tho, who gave them the right to persecute anyone?

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