this post was submitted on 14 Jan 2024
346 points (98.9% liked)

News

23287 readers
5390 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The Federal Aviation Administration says it will increase its oversight of Boeing and its suppliers, and will re-examine the longstanding practice of allowing company employees to perform some safety analysis of its planes.

Regulators at the FAA say they will begin auditing the production of Boeing's 737 Max 9 planes after a panel blew off an Alaska Airline flight in midair last week. The agency also said it would assess the safety risks of having delegated some of its oversight authority to Boeing.

"It is time to re-examine the delegation of authority and assess any associated safety risks," FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said in a statement Friday. "The grounding of the 737-9 and the multiple production-related issues identified in recent years require us to look at every option to reduce risk."

No one was killed during the Alaska Airlines incident, but investigators say it could have been much worse if the plane, which was at 16,000 feet when the door plug blew out, had violently depressurized at a higher altitude.

The heightened scrutiny of Boeing comes as some lawmakers and safety advocates have raised questions about the company's quality control — and about the FAA's ability to oversee its design and manufacturing operations.

top 29 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 83 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The agency also said it would assess the safety risks of having delegated some of its oversight authority to Boeing.

In America we pay companies to regulate themselves.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When marking my own homework, it's always 100%

[–] Beefcyclone@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My ex boss used to say "Self certification is no accolade"

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

true dat

—himself

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

That's how individuals go to prison. Delegation is different than self inspection, though.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 21 points 9 months ago

I mean, you have outsourced legislation to them through Citizens United, the judiciary through luxury trips for the Supreme Court, why not the executive as well?

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

We've policed ourselves and found nothing wrong!

[–] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 42 points 9 months ago

I'm glad they're doing this now, but it really should've been done 5 years ago. Ideally, it should've been done even before that.

The whole point of the FAA is to make the industry operate in such a way that failures like these are ruled out preemptively. The nature of aviation doesn't really allow for things to fail in a safe way.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

Wait.. you mean asking them to monitor themselves isn't working? /Surprised pikachu face

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Boeing: Sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the sound of complete regulatory capture.

[–] AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The agency also said it would assess the safety risks of having delegated some of its oversight authority to Boeing.

I would say that makes the FAA complicit in this.

[–] xradeon@lemmy.one 8 points 9 months ago

FAA and Boeing are basically the same entity at this point.

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago

Good. That's the FAA's job. It must have sufficient teeth because it protects the world's passengers (since they all use Boeing airplanes). It cannot be delegated to the manufacturers.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Their reputation is in shambles. I'll seek airbus for my family for now.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The previous huge issue with the Max, where planes were noise diving, was a result of Boeing being unable to compete with Airbus. They altered their design to hold more people, but couldn't get it to fly straight, so they included an automated system that "auto corrected" the issue. How does a design that has to have a system that autocorrects constantly get made to begin with?

[–] skyline385@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

It is a whole lot more complicated than what you said but the gist of the matter is Boeing's greediness and MBAs getting priority over Engineers.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is that even an option for a US domestic flight?

[–] Machinist3359@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fwiw Kayak has built this search feature in specifically to filter out the 737 Max. It's quite difficult to avoid Boeing, but other models are usually available, esp from American Airlines.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

That's good to know! Definitely don't want to fly on a max for sure.

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

I love the photo in the thumbnail. “Yup, that should do it. She’s good to go!”

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] takeda@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Like what? Make then fly?

[–] rhythmisaprancer@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

As someone who lives in a little tiny remote town with a lot of long no slow down freight traffic, yes. So many things happen. East Palestine was not a surprise.

[–] skyline385@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

That's the FRA, and they don't have nearly the same budget

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago
[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[–] ChemicalPilgrim@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Trusting any company to do the right thing without a strong set of audits and repercussions is asking the fox to watch the hen house. The MBA types will always cut corners, then bail on the company as soon as the consequences start.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This should be standard practice for every business.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

What does this statement even mean?