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As of right now, you can follow either Lemmy accounts directly or follow Lemmy communities from Mastodon relatively easily if you know what you are searching for. This is really cool because you can read (and participate to !) discussions without having tu use a Lemmy-specific app or account. The wonders of the fediverse !

But the interaction through mastodon has a few issues, notably:

  1. Communities repost comments too, making the community feed unreadable
  2. Media in Lemmy posts are links, which make them quite cumbersome to watch (which is also the case in Lemmy itself ? I'm curious as to why) (minor problem)
  3. To my knowledge, you can't post to a Lemmy community from Mastodon, but that's to be expected I guess. (minor problem)

The discussions on Lemmy often are more interesting than over on mastodon but I prefer mastodon's format so I am way more active over there. It would be way more pleasant to have everything in the same feed but because of 1. this isn't possible at the moment.

So the question is: does anybody know if Lemmy can or will fix any of these issues, especially n°1 ? Or is this something to be fixed on Mastodon's side ?

sry for English 🙃

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[–] technomad@slrpnk.net 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

OP, I'm pretty much the opposite. I like the way Lemmy feels and operates vs. Mastadon (I'm on both though) and so generally spend more time here. I'd like the ability to see what's going on over there, from over here.

I've always been a forums guy.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Am I weird for thinking comparing Lemmy and Mastodon is odd? To me it's almost like saying "I prefer apples over gravity" - they're two completely different things in my opinion.

[–] technomad@slrpnk.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think they have very different use cases. For Lemmy, I've mostly figured out what that is and it feels familiar to me. For Mastadon, I'm still trying to figure it out.

I was never on any of the microblog platforms.

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Microblogging is pretty much just box into which you can shout whatever you want, and sometimes people interact with what you said.

[–] technomad@slrpnk.net 4 points 10 months ago

Makes me think of doing a monologue or something. Lol

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I’ve always been a forums guy.

Hear hear! I’d put “blogosphere” there too. And in a way, most of the world is too, right? In that Twitter was never bigger than the other big platforms, but had instead gotten in with politicians and journalists and so had some more cache around it.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Regarding 3: you can. On Mastodon, simply meantion the lemmy Community in your Post and it will be posted to that community

[–] tamlyn@lemmy.zip 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I already have seen some of those and sure it works...sometimes.

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

If it doesnt work it's a federation issue

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

As far as I can tell, it’s not lemmy’s problem, it’s mastodon’s.

Lemmy can’t control how mastodon presents the information that lemmy shares.

And mastodon does a bad job of formatting lemmy content because mastodon is actually a fairly minimalist (I’d say brutalist) platform. No text formatting. No threads (well now they have minimal threading). Only one feed type (equivalent to “new” on lemmy). And communities and groups aren’t processed as groups, but just like users that boost/re-tweet everything in them, which is not what groups actually are at all.

This is the fundamental problem with the promise of the fediverse … platform inter operation is not guaranteed at all as there’s no clear path to reaching common ground on how to format every other platform’s content. The protocol has nothing (or very little) to say about that. Then, once you have a bunch of platforms, you’ve got a lot of work to do, as each platform needs to workout how to render every other platform’s formatting. For N platforms, that’s basically N^2^ formatting projects.

In reality, federation is mostly an inter-platform system. For the moment at least. It makes sense that at some point one’s “window” onto the fediverse is capable of understanding any format you want and will render everything as it was intended. Instead, at the moment, the fediverse is running like it’s still 2010 and the cloud is still new and cool and having users on servers is the only way to do things so that we’re all still stuck on servers/instances and bound to their admins and applications. IMO, it’s hardly living up to the promise of the internet, and hardly doing to social media what the internet did to computing.

With the internet, I opened my browser and visited any webpage I wanted to see it as it was intended by its author no matter who wrote it.

With the fediverse, I visit one webpage and see any post I want, so long as it doesn’t come from a defederated server (which can be a problem sometimes), but only in the one format that my one webpage/instance has decided on, no matter how it’s supposed to look and indeed does look if I were to view it on another webpage/instance. When the browser is over 30 years old and PCs around 50 … this feels unimaginative to me.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It seriously doesn't do Markdown formatting?! That's a no for me, Dawg

That's like 2/1 the fun for me

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

I think it’s the only platform that doesn’t do any kind of formatting.

[–] Norgur@kbin.social 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You could use kbin which can serve and display both varieties just fine.

[–] BiggestBulb@kbin.run 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wanted to point out kbin.social has been having some stability issues, so I've been using the mbin fork at kbin.run and it's been working amazingly.

[–] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

They've been mostly resolved in my experience. Kbin.social has been working great.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yup, kbin for the win.

Just wish it had a mobile app...

[–] ThatOneKirbyMain2568@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

@interstellar is being developed for Android, and Lunar is working on Kbin support for iOS. Still a good ways to go tmk, but we're getting there!

[–] BiggestBulb@kbin.run 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Makes me so sad

[–] Naminreb@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

This is the way.

[–] ShadowRam@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

This is exactly why I op'd for Kbin over just Lemmy.

Lemmy + Mastodon support.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

Images in Lemmy posts should be rendered correctly by Mastodon with this pr which federates the link content-type.

[–] kariboka@bolha.forum 4 points 10 months ago

Mastodons side. They are aware and just don't care.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

A groups rework is currently on mastodon's roadmap as inprogress. We've not heard a lot of what this will look like but it's very likely it will solve issue 1.

2 is related to how Mastodon handles the ¿page? object in the activitypub spec. I believe Mastodon prefers notes but could implement dedicated handling of it and probably will at some point.

3 is actually just incorrect. All you need to do is mention the community and it will post.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

The groups implementation for Mastodon has been stuck as a draft for 1.5 years now, I wouldnt expect it to get merged anytime soon. Even worse, for reasons I dont understand they made the group federation intentionally incompatible with Lemmy.

https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/19059

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago

Mastodon and Lemmy are simply not intended to be used cross-platform. Each has their own use-case.

Mastodon does plan to add "communities", which presumably can or will federate with Lemmy.