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[–] ZeroCool@feddit.ch 167 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Andy Yen says draft safety standards ‘would force online services … to access, collect and read users’ private conversations’

What the hell Australia. This isn't gonna magically help you prevent the next Emu war.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

But it will help them in their corruption and self-enrichment, which is the entire purpose of all attempts to erode civil liberties.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Australia is a country with shit laws as someone who lives in Australia

Life is fine unless you somehow manage to break those stupid laws

For example there was that video of the one guy from Australia who wanted to ban anime, yeah some of our politician's are that stupid

Thankfully anime isn't banned completely but hentai is which I find stupid because it's fictional drawings

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[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

The emu are watching. Waiting. They cannot be stopped.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Or Kangawars. Or Toadwars. Or Kangatoadwars becaue you know those bastards are gonna fuck and make a super beast death machine animal...thing.

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’d watch the wheels off of “Kangatoadwars!”

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[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 126 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It's worse then you think. As a Australian citizen you are required to comply with any order which includes leaking code and introducing back doors. Failure to comply or notifying your employer about the request will result in federal charges with a sentence between 20 to 60 years in prison. The legislation that contains this was passed almost a year ago.

Recently there's been a wave of mass disruptions and data theft in Australia including most of our ports halting operations for a day and one of our largest phone and internet service providers being compromised where millions of peoples personal information like driver licences and passports being leaked.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's a really fucking stupid law. Do we need to worry about Australia becoming fascist?

[–] No1@aussie.zone 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] dannym@lemmy.escapebigtech.info 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I don't want to believe this, my brain is refusing to process that statement, I have stared at that article in a state of disbelief for a minute. Surely someone can't be that stupid, right?

I have heard plenty of brain dead arguments by anti-encryption people, but this is by far the stupidest. There is no way, there is just no way that he's so.... I want to say brain dead, but that would imply that there is even a brain there for it to be dead.

Regardless of political affiliation, or even the individual's stance on encryption, surely there can't be a single person that heard that statement and didn't laugh at it, right?

Perhaps the Australian stereotype of being upside down holds some truth, considering his... utterance; he must walk on his hands and constantly get bit by snakes and attacked by drop bears on his daily commute, that's the only explanation for how someone can make such a statement

[–] No1@aussie.zone 6 points 11 months ago

Oh, it's no fun. And we have media concentration issues here too, so you won't get balanced or even a mention of both sides of an issue.

Australia has been the testing ground for implementing Big Brother's spying technology policies. The ones that are often tried later on in the US or UK.

Nearly all of them have passed with full support from the two major parties here. I wish everyone better luck.

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[–] grayman@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Too late. Already is.

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How does that even work? When you push code for a back door it's going to still go through a code review so it's not exactly going to be secret, right?

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[–] sarmale@lemmy.zip 7 points 11 months ago

20year minimum, really? Isnt that also for murder?

[–] Geek_King@lemmy.world 102 points 11 months ago (18 children)

I recently switched my email from gmail to proton mail, because fuck google's.. well... everything. Glad to hear that Proton Mail keeps fighting for privacy!

[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I changed back when google got rid of the free "mail for your domain" and frankly its been a great thing for me. They keep announcing new things that replacing my existing apps.

They have a password manager now that I use. They are finally adding actual fuction to their online drive storage so I can sync files and backup photos.

Its been well worth the price for me. If only they had an office suite lol

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I really wish their password manager used a serif font, though. That's pretty unacceptable if you're generating secure passwords.

[–] Sproux@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Could you explain why them not using a serif font is bad?

[–] porksoda@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Generally speaking, serif fonts make it easier to distinguish between visually similar characters like o, O, and 0 or 1, I, and l.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that’s true, but I can’t see why distinguishing is required of a human. I use my password manager to generate and input passwords for me. I don’t even know any of them.

[–] rolaulten@startrek.website 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's not uncommon for the password manager to not be on the same system as where the password is being entered - hence a human needs to type. For example: consumer electronics with their own dinky little screens. Smart TVs/game systems and servers where remote access is not possible (or copy/paste does not work by design).

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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 15 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Proton's feature set is very limited and development is incredibly slow, especially for Linux, but I do believe they're committed to privacy and they do have a whole suite of products now under a single, very reasonably-priced subscription.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's only slow for Linux because they can't find Linux devs. If you know any, tell them to apply.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

I dont believe that for a second. It's slow because, like most things Linux, almost nobody used it.

However, it is undoubtedly the most private and secure desktop OS.

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[–] lambchop@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To everyone saying they've changed to protonmail, check out https://simplelogin.io/ , owned by proton and free for all paying proton members. Unlimited email aliases so you can have a unique email per service. The apps also on fdroid.

[–] totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why would I switch from Firefox relay that gives unlimited aliases at 1/4 of the price?

[–] clive@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago

You dont have to switch but if someone is paying for Proton than they can utilize it for no extra charge

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I didn't try Proton's solution, but free Relay was blocked at some services I tried to use it. It was so weirdly specific since no one really knows about them, so I guess some web admins has enough time on their hands to create a whitelist of all mail services they support, and moz.com wasn't there.

[–] totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I just had a company refuse to send to mozmail.com, thought they managed to charge the credit card just fine and the email address didn't throw an error on sign up. Figured it out on phone with support so they have a record of exactly why they lost that sale worth a few thousand dollars. I'd like to think they'll learn but more likely the only lesson learned was me re: shopping there.

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[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm just finishing up that transition myself and glad to hear I made a good choice!

[–] iamanoldguy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Same, using Proton mail and I am now blissfully Google free. Something else I found the holidays good for is finding out all the old accounts I have floating out there from sites that I interacted with over the years so I can cancel them or change the email if i decide to keep them. But, no more Google! Next on my list is Amazon.

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[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago

The eSafety commissioner, Julie Inman Grant, has proposed cloud and messaging service providers should detect and remove known child abuse material and pro-terror material “where technically feasible” – as well as disrupt and deter new material of that nature.

The eSafety regulator has stressed in an associated discussion paper it “does not advocate building in weaknesses or back doors to undermine privacy and security on end-to-end encrypted services”.

I so love these magic wand-waving legislators. "Spy on your users and control what they do on your encrypted platform, but in a way that doesn't break encryption or violate privacy..."

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The Australian government would have you believe that we're in the middle of some kind of CP endemic and everyone needs to suffer for it.

This will catch precisely nobody, as the criminals will immediately move to a different platform, of which there are many.

I host my own mail. If the AFP want to inspect it, they'll need a warrant.

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[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If a corporation won't ruin a good thing, you leave it to government to get the job done.

[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The state (i.e. a group of people that claims only they can legally use violence in a given geographic region) is a tool used by the psychopathic hoarder class -- it's purpose is to steal from us (our labor and resources that belong to us all) in relative safety (i.e. protected by state enforcement/police).

Our societal "advancement" can largely be understood in terms of this psychopathic hoarder class become more efficient and effective. Look at amazon.com, is that an advancement over stores or a more efficient way to exploit resources and people and effectively expedite the planet's destruction?

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (6 children)

We need a robust democracy with strong regulation, not a lack of structure in our society.

[–] battle009@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This. Anarchism is not the way, democratic control is.

Structurelessness only leads to tyranny of another kind. Read Jo Freeman's thoughts on this concept:

https://jacobin.com/2019/09/tyranny-structurelessness-jo-freeman-consciousness-raising-women-liberation-feminism

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The eSafety regulator has stressed in an associated discussion paper it “does not advocate building in weaknesses or back doors to undermine privacy and security on end-to-end encrypted services”.

But privacy and security groups argue the draft standards, as written, could allow the eSafety commissioner to force companies to compromise encryption to comply.

Andy Yen, the founder and chief executive of Proton, told Guardian Australia the proposed standards “would force online services, no matter whether they are end-to-end encrypted or not, to access, collect, and read their users’ private conversations”.

“These proposals could not only force companies to bypass their own encryption, but could put businesses and citizens at risk while doing little to protect people from the online harms they are intended to address,” he said.

A spokesperson for the eSafety commissioner said Inman Grant welcomed feedback on the draft standards – including on the technical feasibility exception.

“Having mandatory and enforceable codes in place, which put the onus back on industry to take meaningful action against the worst-of-the-worst content appearing on their products and services, is a tremendously important online safety milestone,” Inman Grant said.


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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The eSafety regulator has stressed in an associated discussion paper it “does not advocate building in weaknesses or back doors to undermine privacy and security on end-to-end encrypted services”.

Just straight up lying with that one.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Technically maybe, but not necessarily. This is tactic that executives use all the time to force their employees to do illegal, or unethical actions, without ever telling them to.

For example, Wells Fargo executives didn't tell their bank employees to commit fraud, but they set their sales targets such that the ONLY way to reasonably achieve them was to defraud their customers.

However, I didn't read the actual white paper, so maybe it does explicitly say backdoors need to be built.

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[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Good. I fully support them. Fuck this shit

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Organisations and groups who want to protect privacy should come up with ways themselves on how to protect their services from certain activities.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You mean like implementing strong data privacy measures and fighting regulators to protect them? That sounds like a good idea to me. If you’re interested, that is what the article is about.

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