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[–] Synthead@lemmy.world 275 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

Whatever happens on my browser is client side, which is hardware and software I own. I can make what I own do what I want. It's a right.

It's like Google saying that I can't skim a magazine in my home, and that I must read the ads. Google can do what they want server-side, and I'll do what I want client-side.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 48 points 9 months ago (8 children)

And as a service provider, they can choose to degrade your experience. It goes both ways.

[–] Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Except they want to send you videos. The power is with you, the viewer. Without you, advertisers will have no reason for buying ads. Google can't collect your data either. Realise that you have this power. Youtube is not like electricity or clean water. We can live without it if push comes to the shove.

[–] ElectroNeutrino@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, what they want is to make money off of you, be it through metadata or through advertising. It's just that sending you videos happens to be the model which they use to get the metadata or advertising income.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago

If they wanted to make money off of me then they should have kept the Pixel Pass as a thing so I'd have a reason to have YT premium

Or make YT premium worth it

But nah, they'd rather ruin the product I was paying for, so now they get nothing. At least then I'm not paying for it to get worse

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 25 points 9 months ago (6 children)

They don't want to send us videos, they want to serve us ads and annoy us into buying Youtube Premium, which someone using adblocker won't see, or need. From their point of view they would win either way - if they successfully block adblockers it either converts us into ad watchers, premium subscribers, or we fuck off and stop using their bandwidth.

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[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 149 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Remember when every billionaire apologist was telling us how no one would do shit like this when net neutrality was being gutted?

[–] yiliu@informis.land 94 points 9 months ago (9 children)

This has nothing to do with net neutrality. Google is not an ISP. With or without net neutrality, Google could fuck with YouTube users.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 59 points 9 months ago

Technically false. Google is an ISP. But they aren't using their position as an ISP to slow down traffic or fast track other traffic in this instance so no it has nothing to do with net neutrality.

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Not just YouTube. Now I have to say I'm not a robot when searching from my phone because I dare use a VPN that's not theirs.

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[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I still remember Ajit Pai's dumbass teeth as he smugly insisted that you'll still be able to "'gram' your food" before covering a Chipotle bowl in a mountain of flaming hot Cheetos and an ocean of Sriracha. And that was one of the least irritating moments of that video. That whole fucking video was basically "you can still waste time with your bread, circuses, and creature comforts, you fucking peasants, now shut up and let the corporations do their thing" while ignoring every legitimate criticism of the decision to gut NN.

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[–] RTRedreovic@feddit.ch 127 points 9 months ago (4 children)

This is a good time to make aware about an amazing privacy-centric & user-friendly alternative - Peertube. It is not a big network as of now but the benefits it provides over YouTube are large - it is a part of the fediverse. Of course, only through increasing participation will the network become bigger.

If you still wish to use YouTube, you can try third party front ends like Invidious or Piped on the browser; NewPipe(Also is a front end for Soundcloud, media.ccc.de, Peertube & Bandcamp) or LibreTube on Android.

If you only browse YT Music, you can try HyperPipe in the browser. There are many apps for it available on F-Droid, an alternative app store for Android. My personal pick is ViMusic.

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Peertube is a great platform. And it has its uses. But it will never compete with YouTube - YouTube's business model actively incentivises and pays people to post media to their platform.

Peertube is more likely to be to be the opposite - donation run, and given videos are exponentially more expensive to host, it's highly unlikely that creators will receive any compensation for their work. In fact it's more likely theyl be in the list of people donating to the platform (or they'll own the platform outright)

While this might be fine if a creator makes the majority of its money elsewhere, via patreon or sponsors or whatever, it's not going to work out for any aspiring or up and coming YouTube who has yet to become big enough to start diversifying their income base.

[–] megrania@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I feel like people mistake YouTube for a video hosting solution.

But that's not the point.

  • YouTube a huge archive of content that accumulated over the past 17 years.
  • YouTube is a content suggestion machine. Discoverability is a key aspect.
  • YouTube sets an incentive by allowing people to monetize their content.
  • ...

So, if the only thing you're looking for is a video hosting solution, then, yes, PeerTube might be an alternative. In the same way uploading videos to your own webspace would be, and Vimeo also still exists.

But for all the other stuff, YT is, unfortunately, unmatched, and probably will be for a while ...

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[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 119 points 9 months ago (5 children)

However bad they may make it, it can't possibly be worse than it is for non-adblock users.

But hey, if they want to torpedo their own services, have at it. It's not like they have a reputation for it or anything....

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 117 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Well that's only fair.

It already made it worse for non-adblock users.

[–] ademir@lemmy.eco.br 14 points 9 months ago

You had me in the first half. Ngl

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[–] Godort@lemm.ee 89 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I don't know why they think this change is going to get anyone to switch.

5 seconds of nothing is still way better than a minute-long ad

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 48 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (14 children)

They want to sell their Premium subscription. They want you to compare 5 seconds of nothing versus "0" seconds of nothing. That being said, I think uBlock Origin with up-to-date filter lists completely eliminated this delay for me.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

At work, we can't log into personal accounts. And my job isn't going to buy YouTube premium. So now any video tutorials on YouTube is getting impossible to watch.

This has now triggered a bunch of lazy developers into action in my entire company. Even our internal newsletters are explaining how to use adblock.

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[–] EdyBolos@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago (20 children)

Fuck Google and YouTube, but the title is misleading, and it's an article from three weeks ago. I'm quite surprised that this post is so upvoted, and nobody else flagged this before.

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[–] mawkishdave@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And freetube is making it so much better.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Something I didn't even realize I wanted was to not have some eyeball-pulling algorithm recommending things to me. It's lovely.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Frellwit@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

By doing that you're wasting bandwidth on all the CDNs that hosts ALL your filter lists. Updating the Quick fixes list should be enough. (Which updates every 5 hours automatically on uBO 1.54).

How to manually update Quick Fixes (Manual updates push back automatic updates.)

  • Click 🛡️ uBO's icon
  • the ⚙ Dashboard button
  • the Filter lists pane
  • the 🕘 clock icon next to the uBlock filters – Quick fixes list
  • the 🔃 Update now button.
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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 38 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Weren't adblocker-blockers judged going against gdpr?

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Great, I'll use it less if that's the case 🤷

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[–] Kakaofruchttafel@feddit.de 27 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean they've also consistently been making YouTube worse for everyone not using Adblock, so it's only fair.

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[–] grayman@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As a premium subscriber, it's definitely gotten worse for me over the last month. Whatever they're doing on the back end, it's pretty terrible.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (8 children)

Why are you paying your abuser

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly: I'd rather pay for YT and pirate Netflix.
The amount of Entertainment I get from YT exceeds the scale of Netflix and I use it daily at 2-3h per day.

And while yes, it's free, I can also support the creators with a better click price than a regular click.
Is it a better solution then the respective patreon/whatever? Nope
Do I want to pay 5€/month or video each time? Fuck no. I am not king Midas.

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[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

We'll still figure out ways to get around ads. So suck it Google.

[–] TransSynthesist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

By the looks of these default recommended videos, Youtube is great for bigots and authright traitors.

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[–] shirro@aussie.zone 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Long time family premium user (household of parents and kids). Anything Youtube do to preserve their revenue within reason doesn't bother me too much as long as they don't reduce the split with quality creators. If they were successful with all this bullshit perhaps they wouldn't have needed to notify me that subs are almost doubling next year. My guess is all they are doing is fucking things up for everyone. It is only going to get worse if their premium subscription base reduces. They should be pricing premium as an alternative to ad-blockers but instead they are pushing people including premium subscribers towards ad-blockers.

I already have ad-blockers and apps for circumventing youtube ads. Not using them in favour of a fairly priced (to me) subscription was a choice but sadly one Google seems to be discouraging.

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 16 points 9 months ago

*Laughs with RSS feeds, Invidious redirects, Newpipe and Sponsorblock.

[–] zcd@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago

Fuck YouTube

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