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Announcement Date: December 4, 2023

Standard:

  • No changes

Pioneer:

  • Karn, the Great Creator is banned.

  • Geological Appraiser is banned.

  • Smuggler's Copter is unbanned.

Modern:

  • Fury is banned.
  • Up the Beanstalk is banned.

Legacy:

  • No changes

Vintage:

  • No changes

Explorer:

  • Karn, the Great Creator is banned.
  • Geological Appraiser is banned.

Pauper:

  • Monastery Swiftspear is banned.

Effective Date:

  • Tabletop and Magic Online: December 4, 2023
  • MTG Arena: December 5, 2023
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[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

About what I expected. Wouldn't have minded Bowmasters, Grief or Ring biting the big one but that's probably expecting too much

[–] andrew@mtgzone.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah agreed on all accounts, would’ve loved to see those too.

I didn’t think Up the Beanstalk would get banned so soon but I think it’s a good hit to the 4c decks that are just a slog to play against.

[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Everything I've seen from Beans has just been absurd. There's just so many high MV cards you can cast for 0-2 mana these days it's a super easy value engine. Plus it cantrips before you even cast anything and I think that really pushes it over the edge

[–] MrKarato@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

Can't say I expected the Swifty ban. Glad to see Modern get a bit healthier, though.

[–] Evu@mtgzone.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Is it just me, or is "we'll be changing the rate at which we update the B&R list from now on" a regular part of B&R announcements?

However, it is rare for a player to pay anywhere close to five mana to cast the cards they are using with Up the Beanstalk .

Yeah. I think Up the Beanstalk would be a pretty fair card if Magic were a game where you had to pay five mana to cast a five-mana spell.

Overall -- a reasonable set of announcements which I think will probably have the expected outcomes.

Even if you're not that interested in Pauper, Gavin Verhey's separate article about the Swiftspear ban goes into a lot of detail about the thought process behind bannings & unbannings.