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I ran Manjaro Linux as my daily driver a few years ago but slowly phased it out for Windows for some reason, and I'm finally back using Linux (currently Linux Mint). I gotta say, I don't know why I ever switched back to Windows. There's just so much freedom Linux gives you right off the bat that Windows is just plain stubborn about. The final straw for me was a couple weeks ago when Microsoft added a Copilot (Bing AI) Shortcut to my Windows 11 taskbar. They'd already added ads to my start menu and preinstalled a bunch of garbage that should be opt-in, not opt-out, so I was just fed up with it at that point. Plus, Linux is so much more customizable. Been running Mint for about a week and a half now, and honestly, I don't think I'll be using Windows much anymore.

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[–] echo64@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I switched from ubuntu to osx, and then from osx to Windows when they added wsl as that seemed as close to Linux as I needed.

Eventually, windowses windowsness wore me down, too. I don't much care about the freedom of linux, I don't want to tweak and customise things. I just want an os that is focused on being an environment for me to run my Web browser and run my tools.

Just get out of the way and let me do my nonsense

[–] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

this is basically why i ditched android and switched to iphones.

at the end of the day i need my phone to be a phone more than i need complete control over everything.

same with the PC OS. i like Linux, i like Windows, under some circumstances i even like MacOS. at the end of the day it really doesn't matter what OS i'm using, so long as the software i need to run, runs.

[–] sekhat@lemmy.temporus.me 1 points 11 months ago

I mean having control over everything also means you have control to not exercise control. Android as a phone OS, depending on what the phone manufacturer has changed, has pretty sane defaults. I can't say I've ever seen the need to switch to iPhones. My Android phone works excellently as a phone.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago

Yhat sounds like youre looking for an OS in long term support mode. Not a good idea to use consumer OS for that purpose, as new features would always be added to retail operating systems.

[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where would you recommend a complete Linux noob start after having used Windows his entire life?
I'm in your boat: I want an OS that works (more or less) and will let me browse, listen to music and occasionally fire up a game or two without forcing new money grabbing crap down my throat.
I enjoy troubleshooting strange issues now and then, but if it's a daily occurrence I'm not interested.

Thank you in advance!

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

just grab Ubuntu or Linux Mint, and ignore everyone who seems mad about things.

Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, but it'll feel more at home for a windows user. Ubuntu is a good base because they include drivers that make hardware work, but aren't open source. a lot of linux os's don't do that and it just makes life harder.

Aside from that, if you have a Nvidia gpu it's going to be a pain and there's not a lot you can do about it, nvidia sucks on linux. If you want to install an app, use https://flathub.org/ - it'll make life easier in the long run to just install things from there.

[–] sekhat@lemmy.temporus.me 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

While Nvidia isn't as great on Linux as other cards. It generally works. It's pretty much fine on Xorg, slowly getting there with Wayland. At least using Nvidia with Hyprland which wlroots based Wayland compositor worked for most cases.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

At least using Nvidia with Hyprland which wlroots based Wayland compositor worked for most cases.

this is the part where it doesn't work well and you are doing all these hoops to try and get something usable ;) what you consider "pretty much fine", "getting there", "worked for most cases" is all annoying and broken for others

compared to intel and amd, nvidia on linux is awful and full of roadblocks - i'll always recommend people stay away if they are going to use linux unless they are comfortable with all the pain

[–] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Cheers!

I’ll dual boot Mint then.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

I'd say Debian has closed the gap, now that Bookworm and onwards include nonfree firmware by default

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don’t much care about the freedom of linux

But you should care, Linux is for those that care.

[–] echo64@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it isn't. it's a kernel for people to use, and the surrounding ecosystem is still just something for people to use.

You enjoy the niche of ultra freedom, good for you. Have fun. Don't say that other people have to enjoy what you enjoy.

[–] PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Even the license disagrees with you.

[–] Neil@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago

Windows 11 finally made me tell my boss "i'm not using that anymore." I've used Linux exclusively at home and Windows at work, but got fed up just like you. I have a VM for testing purposes as the security admin and it's actually improved my workflow since I can tear down and bring up VMs instead of using my main OS for testing.

Glad to hear you've had a positive switch as well.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I've nibbled at trying to use Linux on my home computer for years and years, but games didn't have a good track-record in Wine so I never went over.

I recently heard differently, and tried PopOS, and I've mostly been able to get all the games I wanted to play to play, mostly using Steam's own emulation using Proton, and a few using Lutris.

The only two that gave me trouble were Starfield--it had a bug with Nvidia cards and I had to wait for a Linux driver to be updated with a driver fix. (And honestly after playing Starfield, it wouldn't have mattered if it never played.) And Crusader Kings III...but only if I had it playing natively on Linux, as it's supposed to be able to. It kept constantly crashing if I clicked on a character portrait. When I switched to playing it on Proton (so emulating Windows) it's been rock solid.

I've played No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk 2077, Rimworld, Control, Alan Wake II, Baldur's Gate 3, and Valheim all successfully. (And Starfield and Crusader Kings III after some troubleshooting.) Those are modern enough that I don't feel any more disadvantaged gaming on Linux than I did on Windows (accounting for my last-gen hardware and such.)

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 11 months ago

I've been playing Cyberpunk 2077 on Linux just fine as well, and Forza Horizon 4 (though the Xbox account setup was a rigmarole). Only thing I had to do was use bluetoothctl to set up my Xbox Series X/S controller, as it uses Bluetooth to connect and it doesn't work with KDE's Bluetooth setting GUI.

[–] Honeybee@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

https://www.protondb.com/ is worth a look. It shows the state of games using Proton and people list their tweaks to make games work. You can filter it to only show Nvidia GPU's on PopOS as an example too. To find tweaks more applicable to your system.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago

Imagine being a PC guy, paying thousands of dollars for a decent rig, and not having a control over it

🤡🤡🤡

All these, PC gamers got some learning to do.

[–] Resonanz@slrpnk.net 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fellas, the FOSS team gets +1 c:

[–] xfts@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every new Linux user counts!

[–] aarRJaay@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Next year: The Year Of The Linux Desktop!!

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Welcome home

[–] rustydomino@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

For work the only thing that holds me back from using Linux is Office 365. The web apps for O365 are just not up to par for anything other than the most basic tasks.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Fortunately my work uses Google docs mostly. We do have office 365 and use it for mail and their PWA is really decent.

I keep a domain bound kernel virtual machine sitting around mostly for directory services. I installed 0365 and all the supporting apps just in case I ever have a need. The real b**** of the whole thing is that Windows 11 needs a minimum of 60 gigs of storage.

[–] tmsbrdrs@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Using prospect mail, Thunderbird with Owl for Exchange or one of the myriad other email clients as well as teams for Linux (obviously for teams) solved the issue for me. Actual productivity apps, I've always preferred the extensibility of libre office but there's also kingsoft office, open office, etc.

To each his own though.

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I always think about going back to Windows, but then I snap myself out of it seeing what Microsoft are doing. I still have a virtual machine for MusicBee (which... isn't the greatest in WINE, I'll just say that much) but everything else works fine. Also had a pretty good experience with Apple Music in Waydroid, with scrobbler support (Pano Scrobbler)

[–] Owljfien@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was trying to get MusicBee working earlier this week and gave up, ended up trying something called Strawberry and found myself liking it for the brief amount I've used it

[–] Flaky@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 points 11 months ago

My workflow is too married to MusicBee to do that lol, it's the reason I keep a Windows VM handy nowadays (okay, and Apple Music if I need to do some playlist things)

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

It's a breath of fresh air...

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Is there a sub for One Drive? I use that for coursework, otherwise I could transfer over. What I do is use Linux sometimes and save my docs into a folder accessible by both OS and then just transfer it over to the proper spot on windows.

[–] ___@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I’ve been daily driving Debian with cinnamon on top. The only thing keeping my windows partition going is lack of HDR support and horrific Wayland nvidia support.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Are you using Mint ( LMDE ) or running Cinnamon on Debian directly?

[–] ___@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Used to use LMDE but moved to Debian to get 12 early.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

Both of those features are only starting to make appearance in newer software

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

Happy that you are on the light side now!

[–] purplemurmel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

I just switched back to windows, after using Kubuntu for the past 13 month.

I'm a software dev, I work on a Dell precision 5560 and just got tired of the worst touchpad experience ever, the endless Bluetooth issues, the fact that sleep mode basically does not exist anymore and a bunch of other small things.

On windows I do almost everything in WSL so I still work on Linux, but this way I get a much better desktop experience on my laptop.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml -4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Why is everyone in here saying "daily driver" all of a sudden?

[–] Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 months ago

It's a term that has existed for quite a while, at least in this kind of community.

[–] hugz@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago

It has always been a very common term to describe the distro/OS of choice. Even moreso when linux was a bit less usable as a desktop OS and dual-booting was pretty necessary

[–] ani@endlesstalk.org 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People using cars as wallpapers on GNU+Linux is trending right now

[–] xfts@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Haha, that'd be funny if this was the meaning.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's been said for a long time afaik. Didn't start on lemmy

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Well, if obviously comes from the world of cars. My guess is that its use there dates back to before PCs. It just make sense that people that already used it for cars would apply it to computers. It is hard to know the timing. Probably at the point that at least some people started to have access to more than one.

[–] governorkeagan@lemdro.id 5 points 11 months ago

Adding to what has already been said. It can help to differentiate when you use multiple OS’s but end up using one more than the rest.