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Moderate here means "don't worry, rich white girls will still have the choice"
While I agree that many of them are thinking that way, the concept totally baffles me. If you're a racist, why would you not support abortion for minorities? It's the strangest thing to me. So the real problem here is people don't understand how statistics work.
The abortion issue in particular doesn't center around racists, it centers around evangelicals. Zealots believe that an abortion is Against God and really, truly, honestly believe they are saving your immortal soul and that of your baby by forcing you to carry to term. People like that can't be reasoned with because they honestly believe they are acting in the best interests of folks that require saving. "This is for your own good" kind of attitude.
It's also centred around misogynists and people jealous of other people having happy carefree sex
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem.
For two reasons:
It lets them pretend that they are morally superior/not racist and the left is racist. "The left wants to kill unborn black babies and we're trying to save them."
They tend to not hate racial minorities - as long as they "stay in their place." In the case of black people, they want black people to have no say in government and just do whatever their white ~~masters~~ employers tell them to do for whatever pay their white employers decide to give them. More black babies means more workers in their minds.
The same is true of other people. Women are okay if they "stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen." LGBTQ people are okay if "they stay hidden in the closet and never mention who they really are." Other religions are fine as long as they pretend that they are Christian.
Basically, they want things to go back to the "good old days" when white, straight, Christian men ran things and everyone else bowed to them.
as long as they “stay in their place.”
This is why they're "law and order" candidates: They use the law to enforce their order
If you’re a racist, why would you not support abortion for minorities?
Because they need fodder for the prison slave labor pipeline.
(I also agree with @skulblaka that it's more about evangelicals than racists.)
There are plenty of racists that are happy to let abortion be a thing. I've heard (and lost count of how many times) repeatedly about planned parenthood being started by a racist, etc. etc. The republicans aren't a complete monomind, they just get along really well at the 'we hate others' party that their leaders throw.
It's not about getting rid of them, its about lowering their standard of life to below that of yourself so you can continue to feel superior in your race.
More workers for the ~~slave~~ prison industry. Very few people want to actually eliminate the groups they look down on; they need them around to be exploited, to be scapegoats, etc.
The Right wants to protect the unborn, so there will be more moving targets around for gun owners.
Don't underestimate him.
He beat an elderly, uninspiring, career politician against all odds once and he'll do it again. People have short memories, and won't remember the worst of his tenure
Already seen it. I don't love Biden, but he's done "okayish" at most things. Every time the economy comes up, people start missing Trump despite the fact he was the one that destroyed it
exactly
Let me fix that for you:
Due to the corruption of the Electoral College and even though he lost the popular vote, Trump beat an elderly, uninspiring, career politician.
ETA: Enough with the "well golly gee dontcha know that is how it works in the US" as if that justifies it. Let's accept it for what it was: a way for slave owners to have greater influence than their state's population otherwise allowed.
Yes, correct, he won the election.
Biden isn't Clinton. If you hadn't got the news yet, Biden already beat Trump once. No one that voted for Biden in 2020 is voting for Trump in 2024. Biden has to worry about his voters staying home and Trump is the candidate most likely to drive people to vote against him by far.
I would worry about Haley or Christie beating Biden before Trump. The only x factor is that Biden or Trump or both of them could croak in the next year.
All of his bragging about destroying RvW is going to make great political ads.
Democrats have been beating the polls at the ballot box by 9+ points since Roe v. Wade was overturned.
Is this going to be his "Beto is going to take your guns away" millstone? I certainly hope so.
Reminder that Trump once said: "I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time. Take the guns first, go through due process second."
For all his talk about being pro-Second Amendment, Trump would be willing to limit people's Second Amendment rights (and other rights) if it helped him in any way.
I actually didn't know about that one.
And yet my Libertarian, "remove all gun restrictions," "crazy people deserve guns even if it puts his 4yo in danger" BiL supports Trump. Fucking bonkers how much reality they ignore.
Only if the Democrats are willing to run attack ads
Which at least Biden is in a bigly way.
Maybe they are? I try very hard to avoid seeing ads.
I don't think many moderates or any left leaning people would buy what trump is trying to sell here. So I'm not sure why he would risk upsetting his base. I guess he knows he has the evangelical vote on lock and can say whatever he wants, but any other R politician who said this would get primaried in a heartbeat (depending on location).
I’d prefer that he run as an abortion.
Good ol' 308th trimester abortion
It's a longshot, but I'll talk to the timelords. I mean - stupider things have happened.
Not sure why Trump would get the credit on that one. He's not smart enough to find the right SCOTUS judge, nor to understand the ramifications (not sure any in the GOP really thought it through).
Mitch "Imma take a quick 30 second reality break" McConnell is the one that really made this happen with his "I think the next administration should elect the judge" garbage back in 2015 or 2016.
Evangelical groups see packing the court and harming abortion rights as his main achievement and he has boasted about his success with it in the past.
You're right, but shhh. If he wants the credit for a deeply-unpopular thing, let him have it.
I want to see more crowds booing like in Carolina. I wonder if they could get another Brandon type moment out of it for the campaign trail
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Despite their very public pressure campaign for that abortion ban, the former president insists that they will all fall in line and back him soon enough — with or without specific policy promises — in large part because they have nowhere else to turn.
Highlighting the absurdity of the idea, Dennis points to the fact that Trump is, at this very moment, running campaign ads in Iowa taking credit for the destruction of Roe v. Wade.
For instance, during the 2016 campaign, Trump began trying to brand himself as a different type of Republican who would protect widely popular entitlement programs, veering away from the conservative dogma of demanding spending cuts.
Across the country, Republicans dramatically underperformed in both the 2022 and the 2023 elections; all seven times abortion has been directly on the ballot since Dobbs, majorities of voters — even in conservative states like Kansas and Kentucky — have either voted against restrictions or in favor of expanded protections.
In recent months, Trump has argued to confidants and key allies that “even Republican” voters generally don’t want a national ban, based on the polling he’s been shown, the two sources say.
Trump’s strategy appears to be to promise to remain pro-life if reelected, but to avoid endorsing policies like a national ban in 2024 — and hoping just enough voters don’t notice the cynical triangulation.
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