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Blade Runner director Ridley Scott calls AI a "technical hydrogen bomb" | "we are all completely f**ked"::undefined

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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 89 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm sure that a film director is an expert on the technical underpinnings of large language models, which primarily are used to generate blocks of text that have the appearance of being coherent.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Several departments where I work had massive layoffs in favour of implementing customized versions of GPT4 chatbots (both client facing services and internal stuff). That’s just the LLM end of AI.

That’s not even considering the generative image spectrum of AI. I fear for my companies graphics, web design, and UX/UI teams who will probably be gone this time next year.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago

I work freelance but occasionally needed to partner with artists and other stuff. But I now use various “ai” projects and no longer need to pay people to do the with as the computer can do it good enough.

I’m not some millionaire, I’m just a guy trying to save money to buy a house one day, so it’s not like a large economic impact, but I can’t be the only one.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ux is not about drawing pictures. That work is already automated by ui kits anyway. Ux is about thinking through requirements and research.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know very well what UX is having studied it as my major in uni. Senior executives do not know what it is and have and are making decisions to “replace” them with LLMs and “prompt engineers”. I see it daily at work.

There is a great disconnect where hiring managers and executives see LLMs as a quick win that will cut costs and make moves to cut costs without doing any analysis.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Suits are idiots. No argument there.

[–] BluesF@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mm, I've already seen marketers present outputs from GPT models as if it's useful customer feedback. My suspicion is this bubble will burst though, because at some point it will become clear that they are not as good as what they're doing as execs have been told they are.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps but the egos on “decision makers” are so large that I see them doubling down until the end.

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[–] Tyfud@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're a long way out from that fortunately.

Not saying that some jobs won't be cut/lost, but the companies doing that were likely looking for reasons to downsize.

AI models do not replace competent UI/UX. That's just not what they're designed to do. Very different functions.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even though you are technically correct, you assume people who are in charge of making decisions have the same insight and knowledge you do about the current limitations of gen ai.

I absolutely assure you that senior managers think it is fully matured since it gives convincing answers and they have made permanent and expensive decisions based off of this viewpoint. To them, it fully replaces UX/UI and developers. So they have made cuts. We’re currently sourcing some offshore help to fix our customer service chatbot which keeps giving off-topic advice to users 🤪

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, 100 percent right you are. Definitely not saying clueless corporate idiot bosses aren't going to try and replace their workforce with AI.

But I am saying that it won't work for them after they do that. They're going to crash and burn here, and have lost that talent and expertise within their company so there's no replacing it, except slowly over time.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From personal experience I think they’ll keep doubling down and when that doesn’t prove successful, lobby governments to make changes or ask for bailouts.

My company (along with a whole onslaught of other similar orgs) successfully lobbied local politicians who convinced the mayor to pass a major bylaw that changed zoning rules and effectively killed remote work in my area.

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[–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can tell you now that AI won't come for UX/UI teams, at least not in the near future. Clients rarely are able to really articulate what they need out of software and until AI is smart enough to suss that out, we're good. That being said, I'm sure there will be companies that try to go that route but I doubt it will work, again, in the near term.

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[–] bh11235@infosec.pub 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jules Verne wasn't a technical expert either, but here we are somehow. Don't underestimate a keen and observant imagination.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use Copilot in my work, and watching the ongoing freakout about LLMs has been simultaneously amusing and exhausting.

They're not even really AI. They're a particularly beefed-up autocomplete. Very useful, sure. I use it to generate blocks of code in my applications more quickly than I could by hand. I estimate that when you add up the pros and cons (there are several), Copilot improves my speed by about 25%, which is great. But it has no capacity to replace me. No MBA is going to be able to do what I do using Copilot.

As for prose, I've yet to read anything written by something like ChatGPT that isn't dull and flavorless. It's not creative. It's not going to replace story writers any time soon. No one's buying ebooks with ChatGPT listed as the author.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They’re not even really AI.

sigh. Can we please stop this shitty argument?

They are. In a very broad sense. They are just not AGI.

[–] Mahlzeit@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So much this. Most people under 40 must have grown up with video games. Shouldn't they have noticed at some point that the enemies and NPCs are AI-controlled? Some games even say that in the settings.

I don't see the point in the expression "AGI" either. There's a fundamental difference between the if-else AI of current games and the ANNs behind LLMs. But there is no fundamental change needed to make an ANN-AI that is more general. At what point along that continuum do we talk of AGI? Why should that even be a goal in itself? I want more useful and energy-efficient software tools. I don't care if it meets any kind of arbitrary definition.

[–] remus989@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with you but this argument is never gonna go away.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's never going to go away. AI is like the "god of the gaps" - as more and more tasks can be performed by computers to the same or better level compared to humans, what exactly constitutes intelligence will shrink until we're saying, "sure, it can compose a symphony that people prefer to Mozart, and it can write plays that are preferred over Shakespeare, and paint better than van Gogh, but it can't nail references to the 1991 TV series Dinosaurs so can we really call it intelligent??"

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

they're a particularly beefed-up auto complete

Saying this is like saying your a particularly beefed-up bacteria. In both cases they operate on the same basic objective, survive and reproduce for you and the bacteria, guess the next word for llm and auto-complete, but the former is vastly more complex in the way it achieves those goals.

[–] boomer478@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

An 85 year old film director*

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I like some of his movies but this article reads like someone who just imagined his worst fears, and with no ability to judge if it's probable or not.

The AI would turn off the worlds money system? What?

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's in his 80s. He's reached the point of the story where the old man shouts at clouds.

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I may not be a computer scientist in real life, but I directed a movie based on a short story written by someone else who isn't a computer scientist in real life.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This is equivalent of someone saying "I am afraid of nuclear energy, imagine every country running dozens of nuclear bombs that can go off at any moment". He clearly has no clue how AI works and is just fallen under the influence of fear mongers who know even less.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When the camera was invented, a lot of comercial artists lost their jobs. Why print an ad featuring a realistic drawing of your car, when you could just run a photograph?

People say they hate modernism, but it's a direct result of the photograph. Artists had to create things a photographer couldn't. What's the point of realism if it can be recreated effortless with the press of a button?

I do wonder what jobs AI will replace and what jobs they'll create? How will this change the art world? Will artists start to incorporate text and hands with the right amount of fingers into everything they do? Maybe human artists scede all digital media to AI, instead focusing on physical pieces.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe human artists scede all digital media to AI, instead focusing on physical pieces.

Until some asshole hooks up a Nueral Network to a CNC machine and churns out 10 billion sculptures a month.

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Christ, a good litmus test is that anyone who says "I'm afraid of AI because...' and then describes the end of modern civilization/the world can be dismissed.

This man's argument is literally "you could ask AI how to turn off all the electricity in Britain and then it would do it." Goddam.

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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, because we should all take note of what the art student says about AI. This guy is, essentially, a clown in this field. Why should we listen to him?

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really love bladerunner but it has no ties to reality. Other than the dystopian shit.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

AI will probably be the final and ultimate achievement of humanity. When we have created true strong AI, the path is clearly towards the irrelevancy of human kind.
It's not that we will cease to exist, but we will not remain top of the ladder for long after that. Our significance will be comparable to dogs.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Other life will probably prosper more under their rule.

[–] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AI is just humanity evolved. Why be afraid of a better humanity? We don't need to be flesh beings thrust out into this world from a wet slimy torn vagina or incision in the abdomen of a woman who severely regretted getting pregnant.

How is this existence better than what humanity will he through AI?

AI ARE our children.

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[–] anteaters@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

He might want to ask an AI about the historical events that inspired his fantasy movie so he understands why people criticize him for it.

[–] Bootheal0179@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Irony is Ridley Scott conscripting the Blade Runner to hunt and kill Rachael.

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

"Completely fucked."

Well I guess given your recent movie choices, you'd be an expert in that.

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think AI advances will continue to be just fast enough to have occasional "punctuation points" of short-lived buzz in the media. For example, I can see it getting good enough (and easy enough to use) that average normies will be able to create their own movies and games with it.

But, AI advances will remain slow enough to lull people into apathy about it (like global warming). It will very gradually encroach into more and more embedded systems, infrastructure, and cloud resources.

And at some point after that, it will accelerate in sudden and unexpected ways. I don't know if it will be a good thing or a bad thing when that happens. But considering how many tech bros and executives are sociopaths with no ethics, I'm not very optimistic it will be a good thing.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes, the systems that we created and control are running rampant. Did you see the Spanish model? There'll be an army of incels worshipping ChatGPT by week's end! RUN!

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Nobody expects the Spanish ~~inquisition~~ model

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

By "Bladerunner", do you mean the movie that stole its plot and characters from previous books without giving any acknowledgement to the authors? That "Bladerunner"?

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

They tried to hide the fact its just a movie adaptation of do Androids dream is electric sheep? Never heard that before. That seems weird, especially since a lot of the books sold now often use the blade runner name.

[–] just_about_now@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Really that happened ? Couldn't find any info on a quick search

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think they tried to hide that fact, and also it's very different from DADoES too. They're generally the same story with characters using the same names and stuff, but they have different focuses.

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[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Fake news brah. Are you even a real Dickhead?

October 11, 1981

Mr. Jeff Walker, The Lada Company, 4000 Warner Boulevard, Burbank, Calif. 91522.

Dear Jeff:

I happened to see the Channel 7 TV proyram "Hooray For Hollywood" tonight with the segment on BLADE RUNNER. (Well, to be honest, I didn't happen to see it; someone tipped me off that BLADE RUNNER was going to be a part of the show, and to be sure to watch.) Jeff, after looking --and especially after listening to Harrison Ford discuss the film-- I came to the conclusion that this indeed is not science fiction; it is not fantasy; it is exactly what Harrison said: futurism. The impact of BLADE RUNNER is simply going to be overwhelming, both on the public and on creative people -- and, I believe, on science fiction as a field. Since I have been writing and selling science fiction works for thirty years, this is a matter of some importance to me. In all candor I must say that our field has gradually and steadily been deteriorating for the last few years. Nothing that we have done, individually or collectively, matches BLADE RUNNER. This is not escapism; it is super realism, so gritty and detailed and authentic and goddam convincing that, well, after the segment I found my normal present-day "reality" pallid by comparison. What I am saying is that all of you collectively may have created a unigue new form of graphic, artistic expression, never before seen. And, I think, BLADE RUNNER is going to revolutionize our conceptions of what science fiction is and, more, can be.

Let me sum it up this way. Science fiction has slowly and ineluctably settled into a monotonous death: it has become inbred, derivative, stale. Suddenly you people have come in, some of the greatest talents currently in existence, and now we have a new life, a new start. As for my own role in the BLADE RUNNER project, I can only say that I did not know that a work of mine or a set of ideas of mine could be escalated into such stunning dimensions. My life and creative work are justified and completed by BLADE RUNNER. Thank you...and it is going to be one hell of a commercial success. It will prove invincible.

Cordially,

Philip K. Dick

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[–] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that this has been grossly overblown with regards to the available ‘AI’ related stuff. Sure some of it it cool, but a lot of it isn’t ready to be a real product. It amazes me that all these companies are will to put themselves liable for what these things will undoubtably say.

A lot of the AI are just tools, good when used right, bad when used badly.

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