Geez the reporting around this has been ridiculously sensationalist
this post was submitted on 24 Nov 2023
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You mean OpenAI didn't just create a superintelligent artificial brain that will surpass all human ability and knowledge and make our species obsolete?
The funny thing is, last year when ChatGPT was released, people freaked out about the same thing.
Some of it was downright gleeful. Buncha people told me my job (I'm a software developer) was on the chopping block, because ChatGPT could do it all.
Turns out, not so much.
I swear, I think some people really want to see software developers lose their jobs, because they hate what they don't understand, and they don't understand what we do.
Even if ChatGPT gets far in advance of the way it is now in terms of writing code, at the very least you're still going to need people to go over the code as a redundancy. Who is going to trust an AI so much that they will be willing to risk it making coding errors? I think that the job of at the very least understanding how code works will be safe for a very long time, and I don't think ChatGPT will get that advanced for a very long time either, if ever.
There's more to it than that, even. It takes a developer's level of knowledge to even begin to tell ChatGPT to make something sensible.
Sit an MBA down in front of a ChatGPT window and tell them to make an application. The application has to save state, it has to use the company's OAuth login system, it has to store data in a PostgreSQL database, and it has to have granular, roles-based access control.
Then watch the MBA struggle because they don't understand that...
- Saving state is going to vary depending on the front-end. Are we writing a browser application, a desktop application, or a mobile application? The MBA doesn't know and doesn't understand what to ask ChatGPT to do.
- OAuth is a service running separately to the application, and requires integration steps that the MBA doesn't know how to do, or ask ChatGPT to do. Even if they figure out what OAuth is, ChatGPT isn't trained on their particular corporate flavor for integration.
- They're actually writing two different applications, a front-end and a back-end. The back-end is going to handle communication with PostgreSQL services. The MBA has no idea what any of that means, let alone know how to ask ChatGPT to produce the right code for separate front-end and back-end features.
- RBAC is also probably a separate service, requiring separate integration steps. Neither the MBA nor ChatGPT will have any idea what those integration steps are.
The level of knowledge and detail required to make ChatGPT produce something useful on a large scale is beyond an MBA's skillset. They literally don't know what they don't know.
I use an LLM in my job now, and it's helpful. I can tell it to produce snippets of code for a specific purpose that I know how to describe accurately, and it'll do it. Saves me time having to do it manually.
But if my company ever decided it didn't need developers anymore because ChatGPT can do it all, it would collapse inside six months, and everything would be broken due to bad pull requests from non-developers who don't know how badly they're fucking up. They'd have to rehire me... And I'd be asking for a lot more money to clean up after the poor MBA who'd been stuck trying to do my job.
As a software developer, I do want to see software developers lose their jobs to AI. This shouldn't be surprising, as the purpose of a lot of software development is to put other people out of a job via automation, and that's fundamentally a good thing. The alternative is like wanting a return to preindustrial society. Automation generally raises quality of life.
The real problem is that we still haven't figured out how to distribute the benefits of society's automation efforts equitably so that they raise quality of life for everyone.
Superintelligent AI Just Pried the Keyboard from my Cold, Dead Hands
just bs. They are trying to come up with an explanation for why altman was fired that is not: we caught him doing lots of illegal stuff.
I think it's a hype move at this point. Like the guy who claimed he believed google's chat bot was sentient.
I read another article that stated they had a computational breakthrough, in which their program can now carry out basic grade school math. No other model is able to actually carry out math equations, not even basic arithmetic.
This is a significant development, but it's not like they're on the cusp of developing superintelligence now. I bet they are taking this small inch towards superintelligence, and hyping it like they've just huddled miles forward.
The thing is, this could actually be a several miles jump. But where they want to go is not the grocery down the road. They are trying to fly to another galaxy. This is more like hyping up that you are going to land on the moon next year, at a time when you just figured out that rubbing two sticks together it makes a fire. Technically it's truly a leap, but we are so far away still.
Technically it's truly a leap, but we are so far away still.
I completely agree and was trying to convey that. Not trying to downplay the significance of the development, but they are far from superintelligence and they're going to hype it up as much as they can.
Is that the chatbot that they had to shutdown cause it wandered a little bit to much in 4chan?
That was microsoft's tay.
The worst part about is it that there have been already two winters in AI development, in the early twothousands and sometimes in the 70/80s? I think? because of exactly this: They always hyped up AI and said they'd solve all the world's problems in a short time, and when that obviously didn't happen, people got disappointed in it and pulled funding…
Well the models we have now are already useful for things, so it's unlikely it'll just disappear now.
We didn't have the computer technology to make it happen back then, they just didn't know it at the time.
That's not my point. We've had good AIs and much development in that area of research already 50 years ago. Chess computers started being better than the best humans in the early 2000s. It's not a particularly new field. But the development and research of artificial intelligence already completely stopped two times and it took over a decade each time to really start research in the field as well.
The reasons why this happened is because of too big promises; even if they succeeded in some things, they promised way too much. If they continue promising way too much in the current AI hype as well, I can see the exact same thing happening again: People getting disappointed and the field getting isolated for another decade.
I'm not saying the current successes will disappear, but that future development might, for a good while, just as it happened back then.
None of the previous stabs at AI were more than a parlour trick, modern AI are capable of not only full and natural conversations but have the unique ability to turn that into completing tasks based on how well the human operator can describe the problem and explain the proposed solution.
It's not always perfect, but it gets close enough for the professional to make use of it by cutting out the research phase of any given project. Or by getting the bulk of the work done without the hours it would have taken to do it. Refining the solution might take ten to fifteen minutes but you don't have to be a math genius to see the benefits. Plus the models we have now are exploding in niche use-cases. We have image generation, voice generation, code generation, all at near human standards. I've had it walk me through how to deploy python scripts via VSC, then I had it walk me through setting up a Git repository, then I asked it to take me through a DnD/Choose your own adventure scenario with specific choices having consequences down the line. It was a little basic but I gave it a preestablished universe and the general premise, it researched the rest on its own and used the data to fill in the gaps in a way I hadn't even suggested based on what it found of the universe.
That last one isn't a productive use case, sure. The point is that what we have now isn't just some one off computer like a chess bot or a Smash Bros CPU set to its highest level, it's a seed for every future version of machine learning algorithm that will be used to specifically design models for special scenarios. It's become ingrained in our society now, and it's unlikely to just disappear like the rest of what you're describing.
So was it all just a marketing stunt?
CEO ousting shenanigans = 📉
Release rumor = 📈
They're not publicly traded, but I assume public sentiment still has an effect on things (ex. Partnerships, users buying memberships, etc.)
But can it open the pod bay doors?
It can't do that, Dave.
Dave's not here, man.
Dave's not here, man.
What about Buster?
Take your upvote and go watch more artsy 60's scifi, you brilliant sod.
Is this a dave reference?
Hope it replaces the most expensive job position: CEO
What are these con artists up to? And why are so many people self replicating the propaganda?
self replicating the propaganda?
You can't self-replicate anything other than yourself. You replicate things; we use "self-replicating" because it's shorthand for "thing that replicates itself."
The "superintelligence" in question: the same old tech, but with a larger context window, which will make it hallucinate a bit less often.
Alright, so the article really doesn't prove anything, just says OpenAI claims something and then fills it with words.
Let's be clear here; we don't even have an AGI. That is to say, artificial general intelligence, a man-made intelligence that is at least as capable and general purpose as Human intelligence.
That would be a intelligence that is self aware and can actually think and understand. Data from Star Trek would be an AGI.
THESE motherfuckers are now claiming they made a breakthrough on potentially creating an SI, a super intelligence. An artificial, man-made intelligence that not only has the self awareness and understanding of an AGI, but is vastly more intelligent than a Human, and likely has awareness that surpasses Human awareness.
I think not.
Why do I keep looking at these threads? The way people talk about this stuff on all sides is so asinine. Nearly every good point is accompanied by missing a big one or just ricocheting off the good one, flying off into space and hitting a fully automated luxury gay space commulist. Hopes, dreams, assumptions, and ignorance all just headbutting each other and getting nowhere.
Oh yeah, I wanted to know what "superintelligence" was and whether I should care. Welp.
I think the takeaway is that they're trying to create a LLM that can answer questions that it wasn't trained on.
Yawn.
Let me know when we get a real Terminator or Matrix situation.
heck, I'd settle for half a Short Circuit
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Almost sounds like the whole thing was a performance.
I for one welcome our new ~~robotic~~ super intelligence overlords.
I'll believe it when Judgement Day happens and I die ~~in nuclear fire~~ when the wi-fi turns against me.
Hahaha. Yeah. :(
The whole organization structure & how it functions is just not so smart after all. Have management team considered the Lean Methodology with their business objectives?
The problem that precipitated all this is that they don't have business objectives. They have a "mission." The board of directors of OpenAI aren't beholden to shareholders, and though the staff mocked their statement that allowing the company to be destroyed “would be consistent with the mission” it's actually true.
Appreciate your clerification.
Who the hell would have guessed that we'd have to deal with not one but two potentially civilization ending threats in our lifetimes? I want off this crazy ride please!