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The Chinese government has built up the world’s largest known online disinformation operation and is using it to harass US residents, politicians, and businesses—at times threatening its targets with violence, a CNN review of court documents and public disclosures by social media companies has found.

The onslaught of attacks – often of a vile and deeply personal nature – is part of a well-organized, increasingly brazen Chinese government intimidation campaign targeting people in the United States, documents show.

The US State Department says the tactics are part of a broader multi-billion-dollar effort to shape the world’s information environment and silence critics of Beijing that has expanded under President Xi Jinping. On Wednesday, President Biden is due to meet Xi at a summit in San Francisco.

Victims face a barrage of tens of thousands of social media posts that call them traitors, dogs, and racist and homophobic slurs. They say it’s all part of an effort to drive them into a state of constant fear and paranoia.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 57 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Hit em with that "Taiwan number 1" to send em back to the shadow realm

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Start sending them vids of our hero, Tank man.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 54 points 11 months ago (11 children)

I can’t prove it, but my hunch is a lot of the obnoxious people I argue with online, who seem unable to see reason or resist devolving to insults and twisting my words, are actually foreign operatives tasked with depleting American morale

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

IDK, I think there are a lot of pretentious idiots who refuse to engage in good faith discussions without any direct ties to any foreign governments. People adamantly hold on to all kinds of stupid opinions and argue fervently for them.

So it's hard to tell who the foreign operatives are if regular people are willing to spread disinformation without any kind of compensation.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago

True, but the people funding disinformation operations believe they're making a difference, and anti-disinformation operations like Bellingcat agree with them.

I think a better way to view is that malicious actors have managed to weaponize the "pretentious idiots" you referred to, making them an integral part of their propaganda strategy. They're useful idiots working for foreign governments without even knowing it, and the way they're manipulated and amplifying deliberate propaganda makes them far more influential than they would be if they were just spewing their own personal idiocy.

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Weird, my sensation is that everyone online agrees with me and thinks I'm very smart and overall a great guy.

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[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That's where the psy-op is though. So much of our communication even in our local communities is done online anymore.

So just putting that uncertainty in your head of "I bet a large percentage of people we interact with are just Pooh-bear sock puppets" might be enough subtle false-flagging to heavily polarize entire societies, when we remember China excels at taking bad things and applying them "at scale."

At a time when we're deprived of and seeking community and social bonds, it's isolating, it's depressing, and it's doing a ton of potential damage.

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[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I honestly can't imagine any other reason why internet leftists would defend an autocratic capitalist nation so vehemently, while also putting so much effort into excluding European social democracy from leftist spaces.

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[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 49 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's called tik tok isn't it?

[–] Cqrd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 11 months ago

They're all over, here it's called hexbear.

[–] MrSqueezles@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Tik-Tok's only problem is capitalism. /s

I'd bet I'm not the first person to write that sentence on Lemmy, Hexbear and elsewhere. The problem is right here and everywhere.

[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (4 children)
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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Anyone know if harassing US politicians and businesses is a paid gig?

[–] Travalanche@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

And here we've all been doing it for free all along!

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[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Have you not heard about lobbying?

[–] USSEthernet@startrek.website 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Fuck the CCP, fuck and Chinese citizen participating in this, fuck your mudda, fuck your whole ancesta, like a someboody fuck you bic, Taiwan numba wun

[–] Kandorr@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Been a long time but I can still hear total ownage's voice

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 11 months ago

"Dishonor on your cow!"

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[–] Onfire@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I've been on reddit for over a decade. There were clear signs of Russian trolls on reddit during the 2016 election. What I witnessed was that people in general were very easily deceived.

No longer on reddit so i cant tell of they are there, but the Chinese spam and disinformation bots/accounts are quite active on Twitter(X). I follow dozens of Chinese dissidents on Twitter and each time they tweet something, there are 5-10 bots tweeting sexual contents. It's ridiculous.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

My experience with Chinese trolls on Reddit is that they are not discreet. They do not hide that they're actively propagandising. Whereas Russian trolls are more effective and subtle by pretending to be local of other countries and sowing division. Although with the Ukrainian invasion, I see that Russian trolls became less discreet. Creative, in fact, with putting interesting spins into how the war in Ukraine is unfolding. My favourite is when a Russian troll asked "was Stalin a necessary evil?". The poster reasoned that Stalin may have killed people, but he industrialised the Soviet Union. And Stalin may have blundered during the first phase of the invasion of Nazi Germany, but he won in the end. The poster then projected the history to support Putin and the war in Ukraine. An interesting spin but Putin has no competent military command and there is no one near enough to competently lead. Someone made a point that Putin has no Zhukov.

Edit: spelling

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Victims face a barrage of tens of thousands of social media posts that call them traitors, dogs, and racist and homophobic slurs. They say it’s all part of an effort to drive them into a state of constant fear and paranoia.

I don't think I've heard/read somebody getting called a "dog" much before (unless they're referring to the other name somebody might use "b****"), isn't that more a foreign and/or rural insult? I don't remember ever getting hit with any of these myself, so maybe it stings more in that context, but that list of insults is almost comical and reads like words somebody would say that didn't speak English as their primary language.

[–] brihuang95@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 months ago

I mean, just look at the comments section on X or Instagram and you'll see this playing out in real time.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Freedom of speech should not extend to foreign adversaries. Give me the ability to geoblock social media just like I can with my router at home. Accurately label any domestic sources that are relaying this disinformation as well so I can block them too.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Geoblocking only works when they don't VPN, Tor, or hack and remotely control grandma's domestic computer, including her FB account.

Keep trying, though. We need to figure something out.

In 2016 a friend was attacking another of my friends on FB, and the 'attacker' had no idea it was happening.

Presumably it was GRU at work, based on the nature of the attack.

So that's at least one vector that FB and NSA, etc., need to address for starters.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Freedom of speech should not extend to foreign adversaries.

Hot take incoming...

Actually, I would argue the opposite.

Now that we have global access to each other, we should be speaking to each other, and finding common ground. We all share the same planet.

And when speaking to adversaries, we should consider what they're saying for truthfulness or if it's just an attack, before deciding to ignore/block it or not.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (22 children)

A foreign adversary isn't a uninformed troll engaging in debate. Their job is to attack a target. Supporting their right to attack is like supporting telemarketer scammers right to robocall everyone. You aren't going to debate them out of scamming. They have a job to do.

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[–] seejur@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is the same problem with being tolerant with intolerants. While ideologically might make sense, it's a losing battle that favors bad faith actors.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

What? Shocked! Shocked I am to find out the second you go after the CCP an army of trolls shows up!

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Damn, all this time Hexbear was actually getting paid?

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[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

From the article...

But Linvill of Clemson University argues that the network uses a unique strategy of “flooding” conversations with so many comments that posts from genuine users receive less attention.

“They are operating thousands of accounts at a time on a given platform, often to drown out conversations, just with sheer volume of messaging,” Linvill said. “When we think of disinformation, we often think of pushing ideas on users and making ideas more salient, whereas what China is doing is the opposite. They are trying to remove conversations from social media.”

This is what's always concerned me, more than anything else.

If you can't shape the narrative, you might as well destroy the environment any other narrative that would come from it. An anti-control, basically.

As an analogy, a band at a party that plays it's music so loud that no one can hear each other to be able to talk to each other.

If we don't get these bots/shills under control then meaningful conversation will never happen again in any large scale, and any chance for peace at a species level goes with it.

The center will not hold.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Get the fuck off social media, people!! Don't you get it. For this and so many other reasons

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Good thing this instance isn’t federated with lemmygrad.ml & hexbear.net, protecting everyone from

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago

They still leak into here.

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