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    [–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I exhaled from my nose, but at the end this joke doesn't seem fair.

    I've been running Artix for years, because I wanted to try it out for fun and now am too lazy to switch, cause most things just work. I update weekly just fine and sometimes I have to write an init file for openrc.

    The biggest pain point was when I was trying to debug an issue which crashed KDE and realised that there is no journalctl ofc.

    [–] Oisteink@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Like with most technology, init should be based on use-case.

    Some setups are not made for quick reboots and that’s ok. When all your container does is run ddclient you might find that even cron can work just as well as systemd.timers

    [–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

    For me, even using Linux at all is more of a philosophical decision than a practical one.

    As long as the tradeoff is not too big, I'd rather use what follows my values over going by pure meritocracy.

    [–] Downcount@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not a linux power user but have some servers running on linux and honestly wouldn't change it with anything else, as everything runs smooth and maintainance is easy and straight forward. Even if something gets fucked there is a great online community which helped me out everytime.

    That said, and sorry for the long introduction:

    I read a lot systemd memes in the last weeks: What is the problem with it and why is it trending now?

    [–] netburnr@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sysinit was basically one file where you tell a process what to do, start, reload, stop. Systems is way way more complicated and according to some, prone to breaking.

    [–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

    It's funny, after your first sentence, I thought “yeah, that's exactly the problem. Copy&paste fragile shell code for managing processes instead of standardized lifecycle management”. Then your second sentence painted that horrible mess as “less complicated”

    [–] Downcount@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Thanks, and understood. Do you also know why this topic is trending right now? Systemd isn't some brand new thing, so why the sudden outcry?

    [–] netburnr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    It's been hated since day 1, perhaps only now are you starting to see and understand what people say about it.

    [–] Downcount@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    That could be it.

    [–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    basicly people complaining about what they don't understand, that it don't follow unix philosophy, when that philosophy was created 50 years ago, any way,etc, if systemd wasn't good anyone could have adopted it, and everyone did, beause it easier, it's faster and it work

    https://youtu.be/o_AIw9bGogo?si=83QbNSQgG646M98_

    good video about it

    [–] DrGunjah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm neither a systemd fan nor a hater, but in my experience not even enterprise linux distributors can get it to work correctly all the time. That tells me that maybe it is too complicated.

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    [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

    Tmux over gnu screen? Too progressive for me!

    [–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

    I feel like this is a Slackware joke

    [–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

    Shoot, if running a ceremonial kshell script every Friday evening makes me a ludite, I'll be shouting angrily at the cloud any day now.

    /s, obviously, beacuse I already yell angrily at the cloud.

    [–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

    Office suite "vim and mutt" Every thing else is bloat.

    [–] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

    Keep your hands off my network-scripts

    [–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

    Joke's on them, I use emacs as an OS.

    I need to edit text files over SSH tho, haven't been able to find a good text editor...