Endgame was a 3 hour fan service and wasn't all that good and I'll die on that hill.
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No, you're right. Infinity war is the better movie but endgame was the better event. Endgame is almost a perfect fanservice movie and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Infinity war is not that good either. Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Everything is preventable but the heroes forgot how to heroe and make very bad decisions
Welcome to every single movie that's ever been produced. Most things in movies could be prevented if the heroes just made reasonable decisions. But then you wouldn't have a movie, so heroes have to be stupid at just the right moment to make the movie work.
Nahh, that's just cheap Hollywood shit that's written so poorly.
It's hard to tell living in the US, because our media is dominated by Hollywood. You only get to see the one or two gems that get shat out randomly once a decade sitting amongst a giant field of dumbed down Disney fairy tales. That's if the gems were even advertised all that well in the first place. So much ADD advertising that spoils the climax of the movie 'and' gives you the wrong idea of the plot, it's impossible to tell what's actually good without watching it.
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Go watch Die Hard, The Day Of The Jackal, Rope, Seven Samurai, The Martian. It is possible to write a movie that isn't moved forward by passing around the idiot ball. Characters can take reasonable actions, and still have stuff go wrong and have to take new reasonable actions to adjust.
Go watch Die Hard
If the hero just minded his own business and did nothing, no one dies and his wife is never in danger but millions of dollars worth of bonds are stolen. It's a fair trade off, and might have even saved their marriage.
The Day Of The Jackal
Based on a book with no actual heroes. Just a cold-blooded assassination attempt. This isn't the type of movie I'm referring to, though I should have said "almost every single movie..." or "hero movies".
Rope
Uh...yeah...
In the play, two homosexual college students become fascinated by their philosophy professor’s ideas about the “innate superiority” of some people over others. Convinced they have found a victim who is inferior to them, they murder him, conceal his body in an unlocked trunk in their apartment, and then throw a dinner party with the trunk as the brazen centerpiece of the living room.
That's just a whole lot of fucked up. No heroes there, except maybe someone not realizing they are friends with psychopaths that have a dead body in their living room.
Seven Samurai
The heroes lose 4 of their own. I'll give you this one, this is the most realistic depiction of a hero movie.
The Martian
Poor mission planning. They can monitor, predict, and plan for dust storms on Mars today. But in the future, all that goes out the window when humans are involved? This entire scenario depends on someone not doing their job properly.
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Agreed. Infinity War was so dumb, I never even bothered to see Endgame. In that sense, it had the same effect on me as The Last Jedi, but at least MCU had an overarching story planned which is more than can be said for the Disney SW trilogy.
Infinity War has its faults. It's paced a little nonstop and the Wakanda bits are a bit weak. That being said, I saw it ten times in the cinema and it's the perfect movie for me. I swear -- the tail end of Thanos being on Titan to the end of the movie, you can feel how somber it was and I feel that's because of the connection to the characters. We can always say "oh they're coming back" but I like to watch the movie on its own and remember just how it felt watching the movie for the first time.
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Less of a hill and more of a well constructed 15th century fortress with about 100 loyal defenders at your service.
I'm still pissed that the McGuffin in that movie was basic-ass time travel, when they had the way cooler McGuffin of the Quantum Realm they could have explored.
To make matters even worse, it's seeming like the real reason they did the time travel BS was so they could start the multiverse BS, so they had a justification to continue pumping out garbage content.
Completely agree! Though time travel wasn't a MacGuffin, it was just a plot contrivance. A Macguffin is an interchangeable irrelavent object used to drive the motivation for the plot. The "tesseract" in Avengers, or the "Philosopher/Sorcerer's Stone" in Harry Potter for example.
Sorry to be pedantic, I fully agree with your actual point, and just thought you might want to know.
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You’ll have my bow.
Ma...ma.... Marvel movies are mostly redundant bullshit without even a single relevant thought in them. Just like these mass-produced romcoms, same level. They will probably be the first movies written and produced by inferior AI soon and it won't even make a big difference.
When you strip away the trappings and just look at the scripts, it's incredible how generic all of the dialogue is.
It would be trivial to re-purpose any script to be for any other character because of how little they truly differ.
I'm entirely unconvinced that they haven't already been algorithm -assisted
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They were never good you just had dogshit standards.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
Endgame was stupid. The solution to Thanos was have Tony conveniently invent time traveling and then save the day. Infinity Wars was the peak.
Infinity Wars was stupid. Have some super heroes run around fighting bad guys trying to destroy the world for some stupid reason. There was no pick. It's all stupid.
All stupid is correct.
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Maybe you’re just older because they weren’t good to begin with
Nobody says they were masterpieces. But they were entertaining - and excellent at it as far as cheap entertainment goes -, now they're just sad to watch. I followed it closely until No Way Home, that was my closing point. From now on, I'll only watch Spider-Man movies because I'm a huge fan of the character. Couldn't care less about the multiverse they're selling
Would also recommend GOTG3 if you enjoyed the first two films, I'd personally say it's my favourite of the trilogy
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Marvel films are the popcorn flicks of the 2010s. None of them are masterpieces, but most are just a fun watch.
But now they're often not even that. Besides a few outliers (No Way Home, GOTG3), they fail to even be entertaining popcorn flicks. I'd say the line is National Treasure. If it's better than National Treasure, that's a solid popcorn flick. If it's worse, then it's not worth watching.
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There was something to look forward to as all the characters got their movie and then the big team up to fight the big bad guy.
It was never Oscar worthy material, just some nice entertainment.
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I just want things to end. It's okay for things to be over. Star wars wasn't served by it's sequels, but here we are with a new WHATEVER every year. And marvel is worse, with a new show every month or two. Realistically, how long is anyone supposed to care?
If anything the peak was infinity wars. But tbh just finished watching s02 of loki and it's absolutely excellent. I have tons of critique but still it's very good.
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But Infinity War was the better movie. Is this still up for discussion?
Everyone argues with me over it, but The Incredible Hulk (Edward norton) and Iron Man/Iron Man 2 were pretty much it for me.
I did enjoy No Way Home, and Thor Love and Thunder, but the rest were so watered down. Captain America & Bucky VS iron man was the death warrant. He can take a tank round, but not a punch from Cap?
Hulk pissing himself in Infinity War against Thanos with just the power stone? No. Hulk should have smashed him to a pulp.
This. Civil War's final fight scene is hugely overrated. Iron man by that point had tangled with multiple fighter aircraft, dozens of missile armed drones, Thor and more. Goes down to two strong guys punching him.
Even before Endgame, there were some stinkers.
It's one of the reasons why Guardians of the Galaxy was so popular, it changed the formula.
It was also just a straight up James Gunn movie with an ensemble cast of misfits. It's like...his thing. That's what's so weird about so many Marvel movies. They gave them to competent directors and basically said "make one of your movies, but with our characters and setting." Iron Man 2 was a Shane Black joint: took place at Christmas, lots of witty banter, there were some buddy cop elements. But the shell of it is an Iron Man movie.
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The two Hellboy movies did the Marval style film before Marvel and it was only second to Iron Man.
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Marvel peaked with the first Blade movie and it's all been varying flavors of downhill since then. This is the truth.
I feel like comic book movies in general, peaked. Marvel nor DC have made anything that gets close.
I think the big reason is that marvel has to make due with it's B and C suite of characters, after they sold the rights of to their most popular franchises, like X-Men and Spiderman. They had to step their writing game up to overcome the limited popularity of the characters.
I mean, I still enjoy ‘em. They ain’t perfect, but nothing is.
I thought comic book movies were in decline until the Batman came out. The question is if Marvel is willing to part from their generic formula so their movies feel fresh.
Marvel needs some good direction from a management level, they need to build an Avengers team of writers who can really think of an overarching plot and have an end goal. They keep introducing new characters and then just don't use them at all (where is Shang Chi?), their IP is spread out too much across unnecessary TV shows, they need to get their budget under control because somehow everything costs a billion, and their end product is worsened by the fact that their VFX teams are being overrun. This is Kevin Feige's time to shine more than ever and he needs to show Disney that he can earn that pay.
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They were never good.
Is this a stage joke? Is everyone here in some conspiracy to make me believe that either the world went mad or I did? Why is everyone calling every Marvel movie "peak" but the first Iron Man? Obviously, this was the best one.
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Marvel movies have never peaked because it was a downwards slide from the start
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I felt that way after Spiderman 3.
Jazz hands!
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