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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is proof that regex even confuses the bots.

[–] ik5pvx@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

May be our own path to survive the AI rebellion.

[–] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 11 months ago (10 children)

I still don't understand regex at all

[–] d_k_bo@feddit.de 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I recommend using https://regex101.com/

It explains all parts of your regex and highlights all matches in your example text. I usually add a comment to a regex101 playground if I use a regex in code.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 33 points 11 months ago

The plural of regex is regrets.

[–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Regexes are write-only. No one can understand other peoples regexes

[–] Bene7rddso@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not only other people's regexes. Mine from last week and before too

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[–] Tathas@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago

That's also 'cause other people's regex are garbage!

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[–] FUsername@feddit.de 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My guess is, that someone started with a small share of features to find a simple solution for the problem, but the complexity of the problem got waaaay out of hand.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Regexes are actually used in formal computer science (if that's the right term), i.e. "proof that this and that algorithm won't deadlock" or something like that.

They're actually really elegant and can cover a lot. But you'll have to learn them by using them.

[–] naptera@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

For the purpose of algorithm verification, the final and/or pushdown automaton or probably sometimes even Turing Machines are used, because they are easier to work with. "Real" regular expressions are only nice to write a grammar for regular languages which can be easily interpreted by the computer I think. The thing is, that regexs in the *nix and programming language world are also used for searching which is why there are additional special characters to indicate things like: "it has to end with ..." and there are shortcuts for when you want that a character or sequence occurs

  • at least once,
  • once or never or
  • a specified number of times back to back.

In "standard" regex, you would only have

  • () for grouping,
  • * for 0 or any number of occurances (so a* means blank or a or aa or ...)
  • + as combining two characters/groups with exclusive or (in programming, a+ is mostly the same as aa* so this is a difference)
  • and sometimes some way to have a shortcut for (a+b+c+...+z) if you want to allow any lower case character as the next one

So there are only 4 characters which have the same expressive power as the extended syntax with the exception of not being able to indicate, that it should occur at the end or beginning of a string/line (which could even be removed if one would have implemented different functions or options for the tools we now have instead)

So one could say that *nix regex is bloated /s

[–] loafty_loafey@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You are probably thinking of Temporal logic which allows us to model if algorithms and programs terminate etc! It can be represented by using state machines tho!

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's been a while, so I'm quite rusty, especiallyeon the terminology, but I think we modelled feasible sequences of finite and infinite state machines using regexes.

That's how I was forced to learn 'em in uni. ;)

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[–] loafty_loafey@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Regex is actually just a way to write (Epsilon) non determistic state automata(ε-NDA) using text! ε-NDA comes from automata theory and they are just a somewhat powerful way to describe state machines! They can kind of be seen as a stepping stone to things like Context-Free Grammars which is what language parsers use to define their language/parsers, and Turing machines! Regex is a fundamental part of computer science, and they are of course incredibly useful in string validation due to their expressive power! If you study at uni and get the chance to take a course in automata theory I recommend it! Personal favorite subject :)

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

It's pattern-matching. Like searching *.txt to get all text files. It's just... more. There's symbols for matching the start of a string, the end of a string, a set of characters, repetition, etc. Very "etc." And the syntax blows. The choices of . for match-any-character and * for zero-or-more really fuck with common expectations.

It can also replace substrings that match. Like changing the file extension of all text files. Where it gets properly difficult is in "capture groups." Like looking for all file extensions, and sticking a tilde after the dot. You can put parentheses around part of the pattern being matched and then reference that in the replacement. Conceptually simple - pain in the ass to use properly - syntax both sucks and blows.

Lookahead is what you do to match "ass" but not "assault." I refuse to elaborate further.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What part do you not understand?

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So you do not understand nothing? That's great to hear.

[–] alphafalcon@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, No, they don't understand everything and nothing!

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Both statements match 😄

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[–] Norgur@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

//////?-.,", duh,?!

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] umbraroze@kbin.social 32 points 11 months ago

Error in Moderation

Could have been worse. Could have been an Error in Excess.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 25 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Regex's are not something you need AI for as there are already tools that explain them for you. Use regexr.com or a similar tool.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Regex's

Foxes

Boxes

Hexes

Regexes

You can do it. You too can pluralize without an apostrophe.

[–] Malgas@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

Oxen

Children

Brethren

Regexen

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks for pointing that out, it's a bad habit I've picked up!

[–] canni@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

____ are not something you need AI for as there are already tools that explain ____ for you. Use Wikipedia or a similar tool.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't agree that AI has no uses, you just have to know when to use it. There are multiple times I have scoured documentation and official forums of a niche tool to few results only to ask ChatGPT and get far closer to my goal in 2 minutes than I did in 30. I know the AI has to be getting that info from somewhere, but if Google, Reddit, and a forum search can't find it then I am sorry but I am going to ask an AI.

[–] Taringano@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Yeha, also anything else has plenty of books and internet content on them so you really don't need AI for those too.

[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Groups multiple tokens together and creates a capture group for extracting a substring or using a backreference

With an explanation like this, I thing I'll take the AI.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You have a problem. You decide to use regex to solve it. Now you have two problems.

[–] Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I got the “error in moderation” today today too when I asked it to make me a ghost with the beard and body type of Santa Claus. Like it knows Santa is not a real person right?

[–] TxTechnician@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Ya, it's a generic error from the looks of it. Didn't know what error to throw when it went down, so it appears to have defaulted to this.