Friendly reminder that Thunderbird is a great way to handle multiple email accounts on the desktop.
this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2023
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There are no perfect desktop email clients, but Thunderbird is pretty great.
It's a little too powerful for my needs, so I stick to Claws.
I moved away from a desktop client for several years because of Thunderbird staying stuck in the 2010s, but the redesign brought me back into the fold. It's certainly overkill for scanning through subject lines, but compared to having five tabs open ...
Bluemail is decent. But im still always looking for better.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I very well might be, but doesn't Bluemail do the same thing as the new Outlook for their "instant push" feature? I don't see how else they'd accomplish that.
Ain't that the truth.
Geary is so close to perfect but they depend on Gnome Online accounts which doesn't support O365 so I can use it for everything but my university email.
But Thunderbird still doesn't support outlook calendar etc right?
It does support any good calendar using CalDav standard.
It can even look great with the Monterail Dark 2 Add-On.
(For some reason I had to download it and then install it from the downloaded file, but it DOES work!)
Also available in a Full Dark mode version
I must say I'm quite pleased with it too. The previous time I tried it was in 2005 and it was just ok. I also recently found out about the Owl add-on. Really makes it a good alternative
I hate how they use quotes around the name Thunderbird...
What a clickbaity article. I'm all for exposing bad stuff but this article presents zero proof of it transferring passwords. It also fails to highlight the manner of how data voluntarily synced to MS is handled. All in all it doesn't do anything but trying to steer users to it's own services.
So reading another article (https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-lays-hands-on-login-data-Beware-of-the-new-Outlook-9358925.html )makes it more clear. If you consent to syncing IMAP account to outlook then it will transfer IMAP username password and mailserver config to Outlook.
I mean, they could have specified that your IMAP credentials would be synced, but it's redundant considering you're telling it to sync.
I know, right? Jesus I hate bullshit tech "reporting" like this. This particular comment just smacks of outrage "journalism":
Microsoft gets full access to mails, calendars and contacts!
To be fair, they aren't journalists. They're a privacy-centric mail provider that is warning their customers.
It is very easy to find other sources making the same claim, such as this one which includes an image of allegedly posted json including passwords.
Which I already posted before your reply.
Nice timing. I don't see how warning you that your email passwords will be kept remotely by Microsoft would be "redundant." Many people will assume from that message that it would only send them all your mail, and the even more carelessly optimistic among us might guess that it would be end-to-end encrypted as it obviously should be.
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I am so grateful I left Windows and move to Linux.
Best decision of my life... After initial set up, it works better than microshit whore OS. You pay but it does not love you.
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Here here, best 6 years ever. Never looked back.
Outlook has nothing to do with the OS though? You can get the same Outlook app on MacOS too.
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It's ok Microsoft are very sorry you found out
PSA: mailbox.org has a great, privacy focused email service.
I went on a trawl on email security and privacy.
It doesn't fucking exist.
Regular mails w/e sure
But I'm never talking to someone via email again.
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I don't know about sharing passwords, but I know that if you have an Exchange server on premises (meaning you have mailserver on your own infrastructure maybe somewhere in the building) because you don't want to have your data in the cloud - Outlook for mobile (both iOS and Android versions) has been sending all your data through M$ servers anyway, don't know for how long - quick search returned a 3 year old reference - imo much longer. There are "benefits" that I may be too dumb to understand:
On iOS you can go around and use the default "Mail.app". On Android I haven't found a good app that would work with EWS - I'm using K-9 over IMAP which isn't great.
Have you tried Nine mail? https://www.9folders.com/en/index.html
It costs some money to continue using it/unlock all features, but that's a one time fee (assuming that it hasn't changed).
I can't use it anymore as IT has disabled all support for 3rd party mail apps. Was the best exchange mail app I ever found (it actually supports the categories using which I've organised my mail).
I (and my colleagues on iOS) have no choice but to use outlook mobile as the Apple mail app and everything else is blocked due to GDPR.
Thank you for this. I've been testing the Nine app for a week now and I am sold 👍 Some users do complain that the app "isn't as good as it used to be" - but luckily for me I don't know - and it's the best one I've seen anyway.
The old outlook was just perfect, the new one is positively abhorrent. I swear if they force one more app to me I'm going to purposefully stop using it altogether
Why wait?
I don't see how this is any different from adding another e-mail account on gmail.
The program it replaced didn't do this, hence the surprise. You could be using the old program, and one day windows update it with this new program, and suddenly your passwords are uploaded to Microsoft cloud service when you launched it. People would similarly surprised if K-9 mail upcoming replacement, Thunderbird mobile, suddenly store your password in the cloud.
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Configuring local software vs delegating to a web service
Mailbox.org doesn't allow you to sign up at this time. Is this.. getting teary eyes lemmy.. having impact on the webs?
| Creates account with service provider
| Surprised when megically, service provider has password
I don't get it.
Using the Outlook client with a none-Outlook email shares the data with Microsoft. So, a bit surprising.
Service providers aren't actually supposed to know your password. Passwords should always be sent after hashing on client side. Only the hashes are matched on server side.
Edit: Not accurate, read replies.
nope hashing is usually done server-side.
also counter-intuitively server-side hashing is considered more secure than client side (in case of client side hashing hash becomes the password)
I'm not an expert in this, and I did look around after reading your comment. Looks like the password is usually sent as-is, then hashed server side, and matched against hashes in the database. So, the hashes are what's stored in their database. So, ideally, the server shouldn't know your password. Also, it can be hashed from client side too, but that becomes redundant since everything is tls encrypted anyway.
Aw fuck. I accidentally opened it and it automatically upgraded to the new one. I barely ever use it though
school requires outlook account ._.
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