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[–] squiblet@kbin.social 140 points 1 year ago

In this niche art field I was in, the most successful people either grew/sold weed or had wealthy parents. Makes a huge difference when both your parents are doctors and can just buy you a $50,000 studio, and you don't have to worry about making smaller work or having a sustainable business for years and are free to experiment and think big.

[–] eddietrax@dmv.social 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pull yourself up by your parent’s bootstraps

[–] isles@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You commented this, presumably, derisively, however this is exactly how it works for everyone. You use your parents to help pull yourself up. This is not a flaw or a failing, is it?

The reason "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is absurd is because of its physical impossibility.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 6 points 1 year ago

The issue is some parents have more resources than others. If you, your family, and everyone you know is poor, what bootstraps?

Yes bootstraps are physically impossible, but I he point still remains. Parents are not made equal.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Having rich family versus none provides a safety net that lessens the consequences of risk taking, and sets a baseline of how bad your life can get.

It's like playing a game with check points versus one that has you start at the beginning if you die. You still have to do all the hard work to reach your goal yourself, but those retro style non check point games are incredibly hard compared to games with check points, saves, or cheating with save states.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By hard work, you mean buying yourself exclusive education which gets you contacts to add to your families. Not to mention ready access to startup capital and the graces of people willing to give you more.

[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Preorder bonuses and microtransaction purchases that provide xp boosts and items that make the game easier.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Back in my day it was Game Genie and we had to program the memory exploits by hand! [Seriously. Look it up!]

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Starting with a $250k investment from your parents is a pretty power cheat code

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[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 61 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Don't forget the ones that are bad at it, like Musk and Trump.

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[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Yea indeed. This is very important to remember. Without financial backing and connections, most businesses don't go very far.

I think we should shatter these "started in the garage" myths as they do in this article. The average family doesn't earn enough to give their kids a good enough education or finance their dreams.

Hence most people end up doing some or other job they loath, for the rest of their lives.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, if I was rich I'd already be a professional game dev. Since I'm not I work IT and dev at night. Its obvious, rich people can take risks cause they're rich. Which means they end up deciding what gets made for the most part.

[–] AngryPancake@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

And they can just focus on the things that are important. For a lot of people, a job is just a means to an end, to finance hobbies or side projects. But at the end of the day I'm already exhausted to do any of the fun stuff.

[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Right wingers suck, you know?

I was hating Bill Gates long before the conspiracy people decided Bill Gates was putting 5G nanobots in vaccines.

Now I have to defend the guy against accusations of making people magnetic or WTF ever while hating on him for ruining software and opposing social wellfare programs.

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[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Honestly, I don't think it's just money. It's a baseline of support that means you never have to worry about your kids eating or having new clothes, coupled with a vast social network. That network is made up of friends, coworkers, people who went to the same school as you, your parents friends and coworkers, your extended family, and just random-ass acquaintances who go to the same fucking gelato place as you.

I'm a good software developer- I interview well, have broad experience, and pick things up quickly. I've repeatedly leveraged my contacts from school, their contacts, and even people I've dated in the same industry - to get jobs and opportunities that my family couldn't provide because they're desperately poor. It's absurd how many opportunities I've gotten that way. I've seen equally talented developers grind along in shit jobs because when they look for work they do it by applying to hundreds of openings on indeed or wherever instead of hitting up all of their current and past acquaintances and asking if anyone is looking.

Now draw the same comparison, but between someone who has a network of contacts that are wealthy, and me. That's why these people can do what they do. They might be smart, they might work hard, but at the end of the day, they've got access we don't.

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[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty much this. I have made contacts over the years and "done well" for myself. But never well enough to start a wealth avalanche of any kind.

But properly positioned, I can make a company $20m/yr (as can any solid developer with a little innovativeness). If I knew the right people, I'd be seeing a noticeable percent of that instead of just my "cog in the wheel" salary. But also, it's a matter of the roles. I've worked some roles where I don't make a company that kind of money. Not because of a skill gap. It was just a different dev job.

If I had a rich dad with the right friends, I'd be wealthy (probably making them richer). It took me over 10 years in the field to even become a senior, but I've worked for execs that were "just hired that way" in their 20's, with no better credentials than I had, but a different last name. Even if I do spectacularly, I'll still be 15 years behind them with less of a safety net and less leverage.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (13 children)

If you buy into the myth of the "self-made" billionaire you might just as well buy into the idea of magic glass slippers granting you royalty.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

People assume it's that the parents buy good schools and bribe etc.

But I think it's actually mostly the powerful privilege confidence that you get from having that safety net.

They can try and fail so many times. Some have, too. Like Trump who failed mostly his entire life and is still a mogul.

It's the feeling these people have got that they have right to command and tell people what to do and not be afraid of consequences

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[–] rckclmbr@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Lol Zucks dad was a dentist, and his mom was a psychiatrist. Yes they were more wealthy than a majority of Americans, but I wouldn't call them an inaccessible "wealthy" like Musk or Trump. They were living a comfortable middle class lifestyle.

Edit: downvoters should prove me wrong, I'm totally up for learning information I didn't know about.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Both those jobs require PHDs, something only 2% of Americans ever get. It would be inaccurate to claim that there's only a 1% chance of both your parents being doctors, but it is more exclusive than 1 doctor. They were definitely millionaires by the time he was an adult, and could probably afford excellent education for him since birth. The key thing is that closer you start to the bottom, the harder it is to become ultra wealthy.

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[–] Eylrid@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Similar thing with Jeff Bezos. His mom was a single teenage mother who went to night school to graduate highschool. His bio dad bailed. His stepdad was a young immigrant. They gave him $300,000 to start Amazon, but they worked their way up to the point where they could do it.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Billionaires? No, but there are self made millionaires, they're just considered lower middle class these days. Anyone of a certain age could drop out of highschool, get an apprenticeship with a plumber, electrician, carpenter, etc. and end up with 1-2 million to retire on. Doctors and lawyers routinely save up 5-10 million. It's when you're doing significantly better than that, that you absolutely have to have had significant support and luck.

I'm not sure that scenario plays out for the majority of people anymore because the COL has gone out of control, while wages are in the shitter. That's why I work for myself.

[–] cricket98@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (18 children)

since when are millionaires considered "lower middle class"

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[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 16 points 1 year ago

*billionaire

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 16 points 1 year ago

What about Elon? I'm sure he's just a poor boy from a poor family Galileo Galileo Figaro.

[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
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[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

There are rag to riches story but the billionaire club usually requires a richer start.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

At least Bill Gates' parents weren't SUPER loaded, and his dad at least put in some work to earn it, going to college using a GI bill after fighting in the Army for 3 years during World War II. His mom was a school teacher.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well I mean yeah, you don't see any millionaires coming from the streets of Compton outside of a very few special exceptions.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Someone hasn't looked up the prices of houses in Compton recently.

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[–] ThisIsMyLemmyLogin@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Rich daddy = bootstraps.

[–] PatFussy@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mark cuban didnt grow up rich...

[–] June@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s always an exception to the rule.

[–] huge_clock@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Starbucks CEO Howard Schulz grew up in a Brooklyn Housing project, George Soros survived the holocaust and worked waiting tables, David Murdock of Dole Foods was homeless. There’s tons of examples.

Here’s a fun article that ranks the whole Fortune 400 list. 80% of them inherited their wealth or at least grew up middle class.

Jeff Bezos actually scores high on the list because his Mom had him when he was 17, he flipped burgers in high school and by and large did not grow up rich.

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His mother had him when he was 17?

That must have hurt.

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[–] scorpious@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

"Billionaire," please...millionaires are a dime a dozen these days, many of them truly "self-made" and from poor backgrounds.

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