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The problem isn’t inflation. It’s prices. (www.vox.com)
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The root of what’s going on here can feel obvious: blame inflation, which picked up in mid-2021 and throughout 2022. But that isn’t really the issue anymore, at least not at the current rate, because inflation is coming down. The actual problem here is prices.

They’re not going up nearly as much as they were in, say, the middle of last year, but they’re by and large not declining en masse, either. And in most cases, they won’t get back to where they were in the Before Times.

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[–] msbeta1421@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a great example of why completely de-regulated markets don’t work. It’s the government’s job to ensure that consumers have choices and prevent both regional and outright monopolies.

Provision of choice allows consumers to vote with their wallets unless firms collude to fix prices.

Either way, this is the fault of government regulators.

I do believe market economies are still the most efficient means of managing resources, but there have to be guardrails. Free Market implies that consumers are free to choose, but that choice shouldn’t come down to Option A or Nothing.

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

Republicans have spent decades hindering federal regulatory bodies when they can't order them to stand down completely. It may be regulatory failure, but it isn't all their fault. It's the fault of free market cultists who were inadvisably given the power to keep the government from doing its job.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The free market is like a horse--powerful, but only useful to us when we've put proper bounds on it. An untamed market is more likely to kick us in the head than give us a ride.

[–] OnionQuest@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I think this is moreso the case of how economics works. Inflation is a one way street because deflation is so much worse. The Great Depression saw -7% deflation.

[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Did the author of the article check how inflation is calculated? Or just the dictionary definition if basic economics are too complex?

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, maybe their argument is that prices are actually going faster than inflation should actually be going?

We do have multiple reports of industries making record high profits despite the inflation.

[–] Haphazard9479@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greedflation.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Dont you label proactive price corrections as greed!

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Inflation is the rate at which prices are increasing.

They aren't increasing that much right now. They've reached a plateau, the problem is that it's a high plateau.

Hence, the problem right now is not inflation, the problem is getting used to the "new normal" prices.

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Aren't there lots of different calculations on inflation? Like in the US it's typically CPI but obviously that's not applicable everywhere.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

You already know the answer.

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm guessing the basic economics were too complex.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Economics always does jazz hands for the middle part, the part between the macroeconomic money supply and microeconomic prices.

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well... "Why inflation?" is a very different question than, "What is inflation?"

Inflation is a measurement of change in prices, and determined by actually sending shoppers out into the field to check prices on a hypothetical "basket" of consumer goods. So the statement that, "The problem isn’t inflation. It’s prices." is nonsense.

The text goes on to clarify that prices really aren't going up like they did during the pandemic, making it clear that the title was clickbait all along.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So the statement that, "The problem isn’t inflation. It’s prices." is nonsense.

Your own definition shows it's not nonsense. If prices are high, but stable, then the problem is no longer inflation.

[–] twisted28@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Where’s the investigation into price fixing?

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

“Inflation in the US is falling relatively quickly compared to all of our other peer countries, and we have the strongest growth out of the recession,” said Felicia Wong, president and CEO of the Roosevelt Institute, a progressive think tank.

The truth is we’re never going back to how things were in 2019 — we won’t be returning to the office at the same levels, we’ll never hear “corona” and only think of beer, and that night on the town is going to cost us more than it did before.

Even if prices have stopped going up at the rate that they were, it still sucks if you still are anchored to what things were in 2019,” said Matthew Klein, the founder and publisher of The Overshoot, an economic research service.

As the Wall Street Journal noted in October, the prices of a number of items, from milk to gasoline to new cars, have declined from their recent peaks but are still above where they were ahead of the outset of the Covid-19 outbreak.

Deflation is also a negative for contracts like mortgages and other debt instruments, he explained, because the amount of money borrowers have to pay is fixed, and if prices are falling, it becomes more of a burden.

Wage growth lagged inflation throughout much of the past couple of years, meaning that while people were getting more money in their paychecks, it didn’t feel like it because prices were going up so fast.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

We need to print that on motherfucking bumper stickers and shirts.

Not nearly enough people talking about this.

[–] Wooster@startrek.website -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Po-tay-to

Po-tah-to?

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see your point. Inflation is simply the aggregate change in consumer prices. It's kind of ridiculous to suggest that prices are rising if inflation is going down. Inflation is literally the change in prices for a defined basket of common consumer goods.

She uses eggs as an example, but retail prices on eggs are back down to pre-pandemic lows, and were high earlier this year because of an avian influenza epidemic, not due to supply chain issues associated with COVID.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Prices can still be rising even if inflation is going down. In fact prices should in theory always be rising because <0% inflation is essentially a death knell for an economy.

So the fed will do anything in their power to prevent that. That fed reserve rate would go down to 0% pretty quickly

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boil em, mash em, turn the consumer into stew?

[–] erp@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Soylent Green, is made of PEOPLE!