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[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 86 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Never trust cloud solutions when it isn't your cloud.

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[–] cubism_pitta@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My previous house was smart down to nearly every light being RGB Hue. For movie nights it kicked ass to be able to sync the lights in my living room / kitchen to the movie.

The challenge in IoT is the "I". Many companies make cheap products that REQUIRE internet to work and are not going to work longer than a decade in most cases.

When I was designing that house I had made it a point to not purchase any device that was not Zigbee, Z-Wave or Natively compatible with HomeKit which led to a very robust setup that would continue to function even when the internet was down.

If you are dabbling I recommend making the same decision even if you plan to use GoogleHome or Alexa. The HomeKit compatible things usually cost more for a reason.

[–] Player2@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The only devices I have that are on Wi-Fi are ones I got before learning about HA. Zigbee FTW 👍

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I'm saving this comment.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 41 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This decision was made so that we can continue to provide the best possible experience

The best possibile experience is having a single app that can do the whole house, not a broken proprietary app that occupies 200 mb of space on the phone and that takes 5 seconds to start because of its fancy splash screen

Don't understand this, they are actively kicking out customers

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ah yes best possibile experience is this: (from the ars Technica article about it)

"Sadly, this app now displays advertisement at the very top and I cannot find a way to disable it," writes one Play Store reviewer (Google doesn't provide links to reviews). "This is very disturbing and on top of it, it moves my garage opening button out of the visible part of the screen. So to use it I now have to first look at the ads, then scroll down and hope to find my button."

[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Gross. Hard pass.

[–] GoTeamBoobies@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is what it looks like now. The ad always occupies that space at the top

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[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

They're not talking about your experience. They're talking about the experience at the CEO's summer house... That tennis court will not build itself and not for free 😁

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Anything that only uses a phone app creates a mediocre experience by definition.

If it uses a standard API, it can integrate with anything and is convenient. You can use the phone if you want to.

All in all, there's definitely a worrying trend for the worse in the market.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The myQ app sucks so much, it doesn’t even have Siri integration or widgets. Plus it’s riddled with ads for their $100 camera.ARE YOU KIDDING ME‽ I’m 1 starting this actively (meaning at every update I renew my review)

[–] HerbSolo@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Companies should be held accountable for bullshit like that.

My idea goes like this: In order to be able to sell some device you need to deposit its source code and the sources for all updates with the proper authorities.

If you then don't provide updates maintaining a) security and b) functionality of said device, because for example you go bankrupt, financially, or like in this very case morally, all of those sources are released and from then on are open source.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago

A Deadman switch on the source sounds like an eff thing. I'd support it. Heck, while I was still maintaining a well-used oss app, I'd've wanted a Deadman switch on the signing keys so distro could continue without stress, but the sad fact was no one picked up my project even when I announced its impending doom.

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[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is why I hate depending on cloud services for my home automation. The last one on my shitlist is my thermostat. Just haven't gotten around to researching options yet.

[–] HerbSolo@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Put some ~~windex~~ tasmota on it

[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah, not this thermostat.

Bloody proprietary shit that, fortunately, another fella managed to write a reasonably well-featured HA add-on for. But it still goes via their cloud service, and the problem is it uses a proprietary protocol over 2 or 3 pair wire,. Additionally the evaporative A/C plugs directly into the heater unit, which handles C&C for both appliances.

I haven't ruled out having to separate the buggers out and control each individually. As long as I can find a thermostat that can handle them.

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 10 months ago
[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This shit makes me fucking howl with laughter every time. Anyone that expects a device with a vendor supplied cloud connection to not get bricked a couple years after release is a goddamn idiot.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

This is why I just wired a zigbee relay in parallel with the wall button for my generic garage door opener

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sadly, that trend looks more true with each year.

[–] Lobotomie@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fuck chamberlain so much. We have Gates from them which were (wrongly) opened by hand. Inside of the swing arm was only a broken plastic clutch which could easily be changed to a new one. But chamberlain will not sell any spare parts whatsoever. We tried 3d printing the part but I didn't manage to draw the teeth 1:1 so Motor load was higher than the controller allowed and stopped it.

Fuck chamberlain

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

I’d be surprised if there wasn’t an extremely accurate part on Thingiverse or elsewhere on the internet.

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yep. Fuck MyQ. I ordered a $15 smart garage adapter and will solder the contacts at the wall button.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I bought gocontrol units for my dumb garage door openers and had to build a relay system to get it to work with the intelligence wall plates as they were not just shorting out to trigger the door.

But it should work with any new non smart opener if I wanna stay away from proprietary crap

[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I have an intelligent 2.0 door, but I noticed that the mechanical switch on the wall controller is a simple contact switch on the PCB. The 12v “smart” wire cames out of the PCB to the motor. So I.a solder two wired out of that switch and it should work.

Here is the pic of the wall switch PCB.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ya I wired the relay to that button on my wall unit to trigger the door since the signal wire between it and the motor wasn't just a contact switch triggering it.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Careful with that, I’ve heard stories of the wiring picking up stray signals and opening the door without anything actually being sent.

If you’ve got a myQ door, look into ratgdo. There’s even an esphome version.

[–] dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, this has been in place quite a while and we haven't experienced random openings or closes.

My openers are from 2009, and have no MyQ stuff . Chamberlain Elite units with motion/temp sensors on the wall unit. That is what caused my issues with using the gocontrol units directly. The wire between the wall unit and motor carries some signal and is not just shorted out to trigger the door.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well, I swapped over to ratgdo instead of API access a couple months back, seems I pulled that trigger at the perfect time.

Fuck them though. It costs them the same whether you’re using the mobile app, or direct API calls, in fact it likely costs less. They are literally just after money.

[–] Flying_Hellfish@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I bought 2 of them, on backorder, a few weeks back after the HomeAssistant integration broke yet again. I can't wait to get them in and get them installed so I can get my automatons working again.

Also, they are shutting down the public API from my understanding, not the ones that are sold by 3rd parties like Honda and Tesla that will still continue to work to open/close the door. So, they are pretty much going full reddit at this point.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dude the swap is amazing. No more beeping and flashing, precise opening/closing percentages, no lag time with api communication, or downtime when the myQ servers go down. It is such an amazing improvement. Night and day to even the official app, even if you wanted to just replicate what it already does.

The one thing I wish I could do however, is access my camera from home assistant. I didn’t realize it was so locked down when I made my initial purchase, I just thought it would be similar to my ring doorbell. (Another piece of tech I’m planning on replacing, actually.)

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Beeping and flashing is actually a UL safety requirement.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

It’s annoying as fuck, and these doors already have obstruction sensors. I get that it’s a requirement, but it’s still dumb and annoying.

[–] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Their API breaking is nothing new. I ditched it years ago since it stopped working every couple of months.

Of course an official announcement is more serious, but still.

[–] spiffynova@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Well I guess that explains why mine stopped working. I'd have never bought one if it didn't come with my house.

[–] OminousOrange@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well, I'm quite happy with the timing on purchasing a pair of ratgdos for my two openers. I'd highly recommend for anyone looking for local only control without the myQ bullshit.

Even with the extra cost of shipping to Canada, they're still worth it.

[–] MrSqueezles@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As someone who maintained an API, 80% to 90% of my time was discovering that hackers were attempting an exploit, blocking it, adding monitoring, building abuse prevention. After we shut our API off, we could turn services back on, especially free services that we only took away because hackers.

Not to mention the support volume. More than half of our support calls were, "Why did you suspend my account? I'm a poor old grandpa. I want to appeal." Okay, yep we looked into activity and you sent 50000 requests in less than a minute and that's all you ever did with this account. Did you know hackers lie and will spend hours getting tech support? You go to school to be an engineer to build cool stuff and instead field bullshit support requests all day from people trying to destroy the thing you want to build so they can maybe make thirty bucks and cost you tens of thousands. It sucked the life out of me and turned me eternally cynical.

[–] ScottE@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

This isn't an issue with hackers though - this is people legitimately using the devices that they paid for with Home Assistant and other automation systems.

[–] SirGolan@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Funny story... I switched to Home assistant from custom software I wrote when I realized I was reverse engineering the MyQ API for the 5th time and really didn't feel like doing it a 6th. Just ordered some ratdgos.

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[–] bananaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Anyone have good suggestions on what deserves my money, or the effort of setting up?

[–] TheMechanic@lemmy.ca 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anything new I buy has the ability to directly talk to homeassistant without a third party. Zigbee, zwave, ip. If its cloud it can fuck right off, I don't need it.

Many brand names are using these protocols to talk to their bullshit hubs that then send your data out of your network. I've got a hodgepodge of stuff like samsung sensors, Ikea switches, ip cameras and all kinds of stuff.

It isn't even that hard to set them up. HA can detect most devices on the network and recognise them.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why does one need to connect everything like this? The only connected system (besides computers/entertainment ) I have in my entire house is a security system. What benefit is there to all that other stuff? Doesn't it add quite a bit of cost?

[–] commandar@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Most security systems these days are just whitelabeled zwave etc sensors with a proprietary hub and a monthly charge.

The nice thing about HA is that you can pull almost everything into it and then add whatever automations you want. Recent example was my SO complaining about how dark it was going to the car when they leave in the morning. Super easy to set up an automation that turns on the floodlight switches when the front door opens between dusk and dawn. All kinds of stuff like that that's really useful.

[–] TheMechanic@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

You can definitely have all the gear and not need it. I've set mine up a little at a time to do specific tasks. Some examples:

Alert me if my side gate is unlocked at night, because that is the access to my business.

Check if there is water in the chicken house reservoir, as that means the chickens have dropped a pebble in the valve again.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

I only tend to dabble, but I have Home Assistant set up - one example I'm on a flexible electricity tariff which is based on wholesale prices. It chages every 30 minutes. I have an automation that grabs tarrif info. If the price goes below zero (which it does sometimes when the grid has more energy than it knows what to do with, my hot water heaters all automatically turn on.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

More cost upfront, but as we've seen time and time against companies will start charging subscriptions for thing they previously didn't.

Then there'd the privacy benefits. Not needing to rely on some company to keep servers alive. Being able to more easily troubleshoot/upgrade/swap individual parts. Not having to use a different app for basically every single device. All that sort of stuff

[–] walden@sub.wetshaving.social 4 points 10 months ago

Garages just need a momentary dry-contact switch wired up where the button is (or you can get a ladder and place it closer to the motor).

I use a Sonoff 4CH Pro which could do up to 4 garage doors. Surely there are other dry contact options, but that's the one I use.

It's flashed with Tasmota, and each switch is set to stay on for a fraction of a second, like a button press.

For sensors I use z-wave door sensors. The magnet is taped to the door, and the sensor is installed above it. I copied and pasted some yaml from somewhere to make Home Assistant display everything properly. It's pretty slick!

This is in my covers.yaml file (referenced from config.yaml, of course).

        garage_1:
          friendly_name: Garage 1
          device_class: garage
          value_template: "{{ is_state('binary_sensor.garage_1', 'on') }}"
          open_cover:
            - condition: state
              entity_id: binary_sensor.garage_1
              state: "off"
            - service: switch.turn_on
              target:
                entity_id: switch.garage_1_toggle
          close_cover:
            - condition: state
              entity_id: binary_sensor.garage_1
              state: "on"
            - service: switch.turn_on
              target:
                entity_id: switch.garage_1_toggle
          stop_cover:
            service: switch.turn_on
            target:
              entity_id: switch.garage_1_toggle
          icon_template: >-
            {% if is_state('binary_sensor.garage_1', 'on') %}
              mdi:garage-open
            {% else %}
              mdi:garage
            {% endif %}
[–] smallflag4168@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I got two ratgdo modules in the mail yesterday. Hooked ‘em up last night and it was super straightforward. I disabled the built-in WiFi on the MyQ openers and they’ve been working excellently last night and today. No regrets!

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