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From improvements in the efficiency of OLED materials to software developments and new testing techniques, OLED burn-in risk has been lowered. OLED monitors are generally a more sound investment than ever—at least for the right person.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 65 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"If you're a consumer planning to use an OLED monitor for gaming for two to three years, it's a good choice. Beyond that, we don't yet have enough real-world data to make a definitive judgment," Karatsevidis said.

I didn't like the article that much, since it kinda rides on the fact that people are replacing monitors every three years, which most won't do.

Most people won't turn on any non-default settings to mitigate wear. They'll roll light mode, won't turn down the brightness, won't turn on savers, and will leave spotify on while the Taskbar is displayed. 5-8 years of use later, that will probably amount to uneven wear on the panel, making it more likely to go to a landfill rather than be sold secondhand for a new lease on life.

[–] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is a good read.

On a side note: Anyone remember the story of the guy that went on vacation and his buddy watching the place left the gay porn on pause on the plasma screen as a joke?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)
[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Pranks involving permanent damage aren't gold. Unless OP did something to deserve this, fuck that room mate.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’m still using a monitor from 2010 on a daily basis. This consumerist throw away bullshit can go crawl back to the 20th century and die.

[–] mild_deviation@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

CCFL-lit LCDs are so inefficient compared to modern LED-lit LCDs that you've probably spent enough more on electricity by now to have bought a more efficient monitor.

I can't speak to the environmental impact, though. Producing the new monitor emitted some amount of CO2, and powering each monitor takes some amount of CO2 per unit time. At some amount of use, the newer monitor will have lower lifetime CO2 generation than your old monitor.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Not OP but my electicity is <$0.10 / kWh because of where I live. It seems like it would take much more than 13 years to hit the break even point on upgrading the monitor just because of energy efficiency.

Even if the newer monitor has less of a lifetime environmental impact, throwing out the old still working one is still wasteful. It's already made and working. Using it longer lessens your environmental impact. If you repair the old one when it eventually breaks, that's still less of an impact than an extra ~20% electricity usage. Especially since electricity generation is getting greener all the time.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Burn in will always be a problem, you can't get rid of it. Sure there are ways to minimize it and monitors can try to hide it, but eventually you will have a task bar, window borders, and desktop icons burned into the screen.

[–] tun@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

True.

I still have my 1080p LCD monitor from 2010s working fine.

According to the article OLED has 5% chance to have burn in after 2 years. The article also mentioned Rtings test 10 years usage for OLED monitors.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's in the "nature" of OLED that it eventually wears down. My understanding is that technically, it's not burning in, but burning out, and what's perceived as burn-in is irregular wear of the different color channels or different brightness of the individual pixels (especially with HDR content).

[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is the nature of all self-emissive displays, even micro-leds as they become more common.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Sure, but it's more pronounced on OLED displays. We'll see how microLED ages once we get some mainstream panels, but as most other display technologies are evenly backlit over the whole display area instead of the pixels emitting light on their own, they wear evenly and the subpixels/color channels don't wear.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

That’s true, but at the same time LED TVs have a huge problem with bloom issues that are essentially a lottery because most manufacturers don’t consider it an actual defect and won’t replace it.

[–] Cossty@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I will not use oled monitors with desktop pc. With my usage, I would have burn in in 2 years if not sooner. Not counting that, I would still have that thought in my mind, that if I use it more, I will get burn in, and anytime I'm leaving the pc, even if only for a minute, I should turn it off. I like good contrast and blacks, so my next monitor will probably be good VA with local dimming.

[–] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago

On the upside, if you burn in an LG OLED in under two years, it’s covered under the two year warranty. (I didn’t check other manufacturers’ policies; some might do the same thing.)

I have a laptop with an OLED screen and I have that same thought every time I use it undocked. The screen’s very pretty, though.

[–] revoopy@programming.dev 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I only read the headline but isn't part of it WOLED. Using dedicated white subpixels reduces the workload of the other pixels

[–] tun@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

According to the article, QD-OLED can also improve the image burn-in by using firmware and algorithm.

Counting the hour uses, leveling with most burnt pixels, reduce the luminosity, giving pixels extra luminosity to use when there is burnt in.

[–] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not going to change my habits for a monitor. Hiding the taskbar is annoying, as Windows randomly has the habit of not showing it.

Also there will be static elements on it for 16+ hours at least on the weekend. 8 to 13 under the week. Some buttons are bright some orange.

Brightness can't be lowered much as I don't have many options to mitigate the sun unless I fully cover the window (bright reflection neighbor houses at different daytimes + normal sun + mirrors on walls etc.)

What if I do a 48h gaming session? Can I throw it in the trash afterwards?

[–] deur@feddit.nl 2 points 10 months ago

Could try to adapt your gaming sessions to include short breaks to help prevent injury, and grab a snack maybe. 10 minute breaks every hour (or few hours :) ) where you turn the monitor off may help?

[–] milkjug@lemmy.wildfyre.dev 1 points 10 months ago

Same, it’s the biggest annoyance that’s putting me off an OLED at the moment. I don’t like the idea of having to baby my things and fretting over the small meaningless details with kids’ gloves.

That and also because DP 2.1 still isn’t a thing in 2023 and only God knows why.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


People tend to display static images on computer monitors more frequently than on TVs—things like icons, taskbars, and browser address bars—making burn-in risk a concern.

"Industry chatter," Dough co-founder Konstantinos Karatsevidis told me, showed that burn-in affected "around 5 percent of users" after two years.

The latest models have improved materials and firmware that make them significantly more resistant to burn-in than they were years ago.

Roland Wooster, chair of VESA’s Display Performance Metrics Task Group, told me that physical design changes have also helped.

By counting the time each subpixel is displayed and at what brightness, a "wear level" can be determined for each pixel, using an algorithm to estimate the luminance degradation this can be compensated for.

The companies that make monitors can implement a range of firmware, software, and hardware techniques to help fight burn-in.


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[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

My 2009 LCD panel still works perfectly and has been repurposed as a dining room TV. While it may not excel in reproducing black levels, it continues to function just as it did when I first purchased it. I am not going to bother with OLED if it means having to replace the screen every 2-3 years.