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Curious what people here think about Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker's statement in Google's anti-monopoly trial-. She claims that Firefox uses Google as its default search because users prefer it, not because of payments from Google.

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[–] kadu@lemmy.world 71 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Well... I'm not going to dispute most users probably prefer Google.

But this data point means nothing. Yahoo? Seriously? I'd rather go to the local library and ask the clerk for a search term instead of relying on Yahoo.

You can't conclude users won't tolerate anything but Google just because you made a deal with a pile of trash. Windows defaults to Bing and most of my family members didn't even notice it's not Google.

[–] Sabata11792@kbin.social 22 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I have no idea what's keeping Yahoo in business.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Acquisitions and spinoffs. The current company is from 2021. Among other things they own AOL, Engadget, and TechCrunch.

[–] n3er0o@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yahoo is pretty big in Japan. They offer a service called Yahoo Auctions Japan that is pretty similar to ebay.

[–] BM_Bourguignon@mastodon.social 1 points 10 months ago

@n3er0o
Yeah, Yahoo! is pretty popular in Japan. I was really surprised when I went to Japan in 2016. Before that, I thought that Yahoo! was dead as a corp. I couldn't be more wrong...
@Sabata11792

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Momentum, I think. Lots of people who have yahoo email addresses (possibly from when they had integrated ISP emails, do they still have that?) and don't want to switch.

[–] thomask@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’d rather go to the local library and ask the clerk for a search term

Sounds kind of relaxing tbh

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

"Greetings, I would like to know more about this 'ligma'. Yes I can wait. Yep, thanks, took a ticket."

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago
[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Even then, changing the default search engine wouldn't be enough reason to switch browsers. Otherwise I would find a browser that defaults to duck duck go.

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

But like how hard is it to change the default search, 3 clicks? Then you're done for life on every computer or phone you ever use, as long as sync is set up.

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's Bing now. Bing back in the day was bad. Not Yahoo bad, but still bad.

Separate of that though, Yahoo search is just bad so I do believe this. There are other viable options and were a few back in 2017; Yahoo was not one of them.

[–] kadu@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't really see how your reply relates to my point, to be honest.

I'm talking about how Mozilla can't claim users only like Google based on their test with Yahoo, because Yahoo sucks. That's like concluding people only eat filet mignon after serving them with a plate of shit.

[–] 30p87@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Then your family should switch to DuckDuckGO tho.

My grandparents have used it for years, no problems.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago

Also, !Bang notation is so damn useful and one of the best things about DDG

[–] Whirling_Ashandarei@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That can't be a real hairstyle.

[–] pipariturbiini@sopuli.xyz 15 points 10 months ago

She looks like a cartoon villain.

[–] HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Geez she looks batshit crazy

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As a Firefox user I prefer Kagi. Google is the antithesis of everything Firefox is supposed to stand for. That said, Yahoo has always been horrible and, out of the options that ARE available, Yahoo was easily the absolute worst.

[–] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Kagi is quite nice, but I don’t know if it justifies the cost compared to the alternatives (DDG/Brave search)

[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 9 points 10 months ago

IMO DDG, Yahoo and Bing all sucks when it comes to anything complicated. I can see why general public would be put off by this. If they can't figure on how to switch Search engines, then don't really care about any Privacy.

[–] coolasbreeze@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's 100% because of the payments. They could use DDg without issues. But to be honest Firefox uses basically rely on Google funding and that in turn allows Google to continue to monopolies search. Deal with the devil but not sure of there is a real alternative.

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago

DDG doesn't really compare to Google search results. I can hardly find anything I'm looking for when it's pretty much always on the first page of Google

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mozilla sucks these days. It needs new management

[–] HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] artic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 10 months ago