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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 255 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Shitty headline. That is ONLY if Russia gets to keep the annexed territories:

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 84 points 10 months ago (2 children)

LOL if the question is like that ("would you stop the war as a winner keeping all the lands and cease the sanctions") then what the other 30% of people is thinking?

"Keep fighting because I enjoy watching it on the news?"

[–] Ghost33313@kbin.social 50 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would wager 100% of people surveyed would not want to go to jail for giving the wrong answer too.

[–] flipht@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

Jail or the front lines.

[–] ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So why did 34% respond otherwise?

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Keep going until all of Ukraine is annexed?

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think it's clear to everyone that that is not going to happen.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To those of us with access to media that isn't pure Russian propaganda, anyway. I suspect Russians without VPN access, (which I believe they recently outlawed,) have a very distorted view of the state of the world.

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The fact that the frontline hasn't significantly moved for over a year, aside from Kherson, should be obvious even from Russian propaganda. (Btw, this also shows that something major needs to happen if Ukraine is to get its territory back)

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I really wish Ukrainian allies had given them jets and long-range missiles sooner. Were I in their shoes, I'd give Ukraine the capability of damaging Russian infrastructure and fuck up the supply lines all the way to their source if need be. Make it clear to the average Russian that going with the plan is more dangerous for them than resisting their autocrat. Time is of the essence, every second of delay can be measured in lives.

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

And also it states that

70 percent of Russians would support Putin should he decide to end the conflict this week.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they want to end the war, only that they would support Putin's decision...

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You cannot ask direct questions like: Do you want to overthrow the dictator? And expect a realistic answer in a dictatorship.

You also cannot ask a question like: Should Russia keep it's territories? Because if you are in a dictatorship, you can go to prison for the wrong answer.

You can lose your job if what you say can be taken from the wrong context.

Merely the fear that such reprisal exists, means that the overwhelming population cannot answer truthfully, even if they wanted to.

So I would take these polls with a grain of salt.

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Russians have become masters of knowing how to lie in such a way as their answer tells the real truth.

You plow his British people can be very polite and they mean "fuck you". A bit like that.

[–] CodeMonkeyUK@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't think the war will end until Putin dies. Whether that be next week or in 20 years.

There's no way for Putin to retreat and save face. The world can't afford to allow Russia to win. It will be a horrible stalemate of slaughter until Putin dies and can be blamed by both sides, to be able to negotiate a way out.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I don't think that scenario has such an optimistic outlook in store. The people in the best position to inherit the seats of power in the Russian state are Putin's closest clique, who are, for the most part, ultranationalists, who would not only see their newfound power deligitimazed if they immediately signed peace, but would also be acting against their own ideology. Even if there are powerful people in Russia who would prefer to transition towards a different kind of country, they don't have a clear route to reach power.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 10 months ago

lol I knew I saw the exact opposite headline somewhere. "Majority of russians dont want an end to ukraine war if needed to release territories" or something like that

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Stop up voting Newsweek. They are not a reputable publication.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Without being condescending, can you give sauce? And for reference, what you consider reputable publications?

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Newsweek isn't terrible (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek), but sources like reuters or associated press are usually more reliable.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Seems reasonable. I've tried improvethenews.org, which is an AI attempt at balanced reporting. But I've found it to put too much equal representation of the extreme right viewpoints, which are not on planet earth so I have to filter/ignore all the pro Trump gibberish.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The fact check link posted by the other user is good.

Newsweek tends to take some news fact, often not even fact but a possible outcome of some developing story, and write a full opinion piece on a tangent.

We get a lot of Salon articles here doing the same thing.

As far as reputable, I would say apnews, Reuters, politico, CNN, BBC off the top of my head.

I know CNN will be contested. They have an annoying amount of opinion in their stories, but I do find that they clearly separate what's objective fact and what's editorial opinion.

[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Those are what I use. I've tried improvethenews.org, which is based upon AI trying to give balanced articles, but when one side of the political spectrum is so extreme it's not "balanced" to have equal representation so I have to filter/ignore the pro Trump BS.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 30 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Good start, but they'll need to stop imagining they can keep Crimea.

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[–] miridius@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pretty important detail missing from the headline:

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

[–] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago

That's a pretty critical detail... The headline becomes incredibly misleading without it. It should read: "Overwhelming majority of Russians now want to win Ukraine war"

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 25 points 10 months ago (10 children)

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

Russia has maintained that any peace deal must include "the entry of four [Ukrainian] regions into Russia," something that Kyiv is unlikely to budge on.

Lmao why does it sounds so familiar

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[–] Raz@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

In other news: large amount of Russians fall from stairs and windows this week.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago

Too bad they have no say

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

With all the territorial gains, if an article I've read here recently was right.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well, they're probably quite content with their territorial gains and are hopeful that they'll just conveniently end the war now and keep said territories. That would explain the still relatively high number of supporters the Kremlin still enjoys while also a big chunk of the population wants an end to the war. I think there's a big overlap between the two groups, which might explain my initial point.

However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.

Further reading the article proves this sadly.

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[–] pozbo@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I say we support ukraine until they raid Moscow and buttfuck putin with something sharp.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's not the goal and the Ukrainians aren't going to waste their lives pushing to Moscow. They just want their country back, that's been there intent since day 1.

[–] pozbo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Never claimed it was their plan, I was making a statement over how long I would support them and their struggle.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

As long as they give up the land theyve srolen then let it end otherwise im feelin russia might be in for a very painfull couple more years

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] febra@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

The Kremlin: seen

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Most Russians now support ending President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine, according to a poll published by Russia's Levada Center, an independent research organization based in Moscow.

Levada's latest poll comes months into Ukraine's slow-moving counteroffensive to reclaim the territories Russia has seized throughout the war, and as Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Monday floated the prospect of peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow.

The results are significant given that stringent laws passed in Russia in March 2022 made criticizing the Russian military and the war in Ukraine illegal.

An August poll by the Levada Center showed that just 38 percent of respondents "definitely" support the actions of Russia's armed forces in Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said on multiple occasions that he will not comply with the Kremlin's non-negotiable conditions for peace talks, including that Kyiv must accept the September 2022 annexation of four of its regions—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia—following referendums called by Putin that were deemed illegal by the international community.

Zelensky has pushed a 10-step "peace formula," which includes radiation and nuclear safety; food security; energy security; the release of all prisoners and deported persons; implementation of the U.N. Charter and restoration of Ukraine's territorial integrity and the world order; withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities; restoration of justice; countering ecocide; preventing escalation; and finally, confirmation of the end of the war.


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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah well the overwhelming majority of Russians has jack shit control over the war. All about Putin

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