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Government attributes decision to war crimes and human rights abuses being committed in Gaza

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[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 89 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Basically every country, for the most part, wants to keep regular relations going with every other country. Doesn’t mean they agree with each other or really even engage in trade. They want to remain friendly and have open communications channels. Severing ties in this way means that there is no possible normal interactions between them again.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 62 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Good. Only ~215 countries to go. No one should have normal interactions with Israel or anyone who supports Israel.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Communication breakdowns and bargaining friction is how wars start.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a really bad take. Being able to talk to a government is a far cry from supporting it or agreeing with it. Even if you dislike Israel, you should want there to be diplomatic relations - that is how other countries can exert influence and attempt to steer them off more radical courses, after all.

Case in point - if the West had no diplomacy with them, then the opening of the border crossing into Egypt would never have happened.

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What makes a 'country' is and itself very complicated. I do not believe Israel would want diplomatic relations with countries which sanction it.

ISIS was a 'state' at its peak and held control over territories but no one else had any formal diplomatic ties with them because everyone rightfully recognized them as an unlawful terrorist state. Is Israel really that different? Israel has shown blatant disregard for any peace plans whether its 1967 or Oslo. There are good reasons to not recognize Israel even though it holds territory.

Also, just because two countries have no formal diplomatic relations doesn't mean they can't have interactions. Look at USSR and Israel in this example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Ordzhonikidze_bus_hijacking

They were extradited to the Soviet Union and sentenced to prison terms, although at that time Israel and the Soviet Union had no extradition treaty as relations were still severed at the time. All hostages were released.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

"Then–Defense Minister of Israel Yitzhak Rabin criticized Soviet authorities for providing the hijackers with an aircraft and flying them to Israel in exchange for the release of the hostages."

Christ how evil can Israel get? "how dare you save an airplane full of children"

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[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 4 points 1 year ago

I agree. Having no diplomatic communications at all is a bad idea especially during times of crisis. Regardless of your feelings of the behaviour of a state, the phone line should always exist for governments to speak to each other. Whether we’re talking about Israel or Iran or Russia or North Korea or whatever. When your own citizens need help, or a crisis is ongoing, or a natural disaster occurs, or whatever, you want someone on the other end to pick up the phone.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hopefully they stick with it this time

[–] shatal@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Bolivia signed a large defence contract with Iran recently, so it really depends on how it unfolds.

If it becomes a way for Iran to establish an outpost in South America it may lead to political assassinations and a regime change.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Iran establishing relations with socialist regimes with a focus on minority rights is more dangerous for Iran than it is for Iran exporting any sort of ideology. I wouldn't worry about it. We're more likely to coup Boliva (again) just because of MAS than any relations with Iran.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

socialist regimes with a focus on minority rights

The CIA is already moving.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago

Agents wake up in a cold sweat with those words in their mind after a nightmare

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[–] regul@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on how bad the US wants that lithium.

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You mean our lithium?

Sincerely,

The White House

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[–] Sauvandu59@lemmy.my.id 56 points 1 year ago

Good for Bolivia 👍

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

They've learned what you get for playing to the "rules-based international order"

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clearly this is the work of Hamas

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] jinarched@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm 90% sure it was sarcasm.

[–] cmhickman358@thelemmy.club 18 points 1 year ago

No it was Hamas

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My respond is 150% sarcasm, stay tune for more of "How can Hamas do this".

[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It was, you won the news quiz! Double high fives for awareness and kindness to our fellow fediverse friend.

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Damn! He Uno-Reversed us both!

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 1 year ago

Everybody gangster until Hamas paraglide into Bolivia's DM.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't cut ties if you never had them.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] wombat@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

uncritical support for the DPRK in its heroic struggle to liberate occupied Korea from the genocidal American empire

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

juche allows you to speak the truth juche

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I wish Arab and Muslim countries with relations with the settler colony were as honourable as Bolivia

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

They never did properly renew them after 2009 though, since the reasons for moving to minimal levels never went away, current events kinda just exemplifying why Bolivia never felt the desire to renew them.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The first of many hopefully

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Is this mostly symbolic? I wasn't aware these countries had anything to do with each other.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Particularly not after Cast Lead in 2009 when Bolivia broke off relations. Israel hasn't really shown any reason for Bolivia to want to renew them since either.

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes and no. We live in a global world and generally all countries are seen as "equal" when it comes to international relations. So when a country specifically severs ties with another, it creates friction, normally the rest of the world can provide proxy relations, i.e. Qatar with Iran, or Turkey or Britain/Canada with Cuba or whatever. But if multiple countries stop recognizing another countries sovereignty, that can cause a lot of complications with say citizens of that country traveling and having relations.

So even if Bolivia doesn't deal with Israel directly, if there is an Israeli business conducting commerce within Bolivia, suddenly it becomes a lot more complicated if there is any kind of financial dispute, or some kind of international incident involving a country that Bolivia doesn't have relations with.

Basically the Israeli company is exposed to a lot more risk then they would be otherwise.

[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The title isn't exact :

Moreover, their relations were only re-instaured after the western-supported coup by J.Añez :

(Here's Colombia's president 6 hours ago b.t.w., among other examples)

(no need to point out that it would be safer for them not to take position for//against any side. The article also spoke of Argentina, here's an interesting 2mn-long point of view)

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 4 points 1 year ago

I'm afraid that most States are addicted to the cyber mercenary services from Israeli corporations (eg NSO Group), and they would be unlikely to issue sanctions against them because they're unwilling to loose tools like Pegasus.

Glad to hear that Bolivia and Colombia are on the right side of history but I doubt Argentina or most countries in Europe would join.

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