Didn't Trump literally already say he was bringing back the Muslim ban and making it worse? But ok, I guess vote for him anyway. Most republican voters vote against their own interests all the time so they'll fit right in until they're deported.
this post was submitted on 31 Oct 2023
137 points (82.5% liked)
politics
18898 readers
3862 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
They'll probably just not bother voting for either. Why waste time doing so if you'll get screwed regardless?
Why waste time doing so if you’ll get screwed regardless?
So the solution to this is to sit home knowing full well that benefits the man who is literally campaigning on the promise to screw you harder?
load more comments
(2 replies)
Because they'll be screwed much, much harder with Trump.
load more comments
(1 replies)
If Arabs don't vote for Joe or stay home pouting on the couch on election day, the only thing they'll accomplish is to enable the tragic national nightmare of a second trump misadministration and a whole new tsunami of violent, stochastic terrorism-driven Islamophobia that has already cost innocent Muslim Americans their lives
They’ve been put in a seriously shitty and unwinnable situation. Either way, Arab Americans lose and that’s fucked up.
load more comments
(13 replies)
It's too bad Americans can only choose between senile old people or criminals to be president
We're choosing between Trump and Trump?
It’s too bad Americans can only choose between senile old people or senile old criminals to be president
FTFY
load more comments
(2 replies)
That's the reality of the two party system. They don't matter, because what are they ultimately gonna do, vote for the other guy?
Or just not vote.
So few people vote that it doesnt even read as a protest anymore but "voter apathy" and one party benefits more from it.
load more comments
(1 replies)
Even if they do, the Palestinian diaspora has almost no presence in “swing states” in the US.
What are you talking about? Detroit has a ton of them and Michigan is a swing state.
load more comments
(1 replies)
Man the amount of people in this thread that can't understand that some people don't want to vote for someone who is supporting a genocide of their own people. "But Trump is worse!" Well, yeah, but this is still pretty fucking bad, and were I American I'd hesitate to support it too. It's not like most of these people will vote for Trump, they'll just stay home or vote for a 3rd party.
Those comments make me so angry. There is a genocide being perpetrated on Arabs in Palestine, and Biden is actively defending it. It should be absolutely no surprise that Muslims and Arabs are not going to vote for a genocide denying turd actively trying to fund and arm the perpetrator.
For real, Democratic administrations can't go and have whatever abhorrent policies, including actively supporting an ethnic cleansing, and turn around and go "the other guy is worse, actually. And if YOU don't vote for us it's YOUR fault if this country devolves into fascism"
That is not what a functioning democracy looks like.
Someone just replied to me saying exactly that. Bravo!
The USA has not had a functioning democracy in a very long time.
I would argue never
It should be absolutely no surprise that Muslims and Arabs are not going to vote for a genocide denying turd actively trying to fund and arm the perpetrator.
I can't see how voting for the guy who's going to fund and arm the perpetrator anyway, while using racial slurs to describe you and get you kicked out of the country is any better.
voting for the guy who's going to fund and arm the perpetrator anyway
There's your reason right there, everything else literally doesn't matter. Would you be surprised if a Jewish person didn't vote for a Holocaust enabler, even if the alternative was someone else who was even more antisemitic?
I also don't see where you're getting Muslims are going to vote for trump from, they're just going to stay home. This is what democrats are best at, blowing minority support because they lack a backbone. If Muslims will suffer either way, why should they even participate?
"Vote blue no matter who" is a moot point to many people, particularly minorities, who will continue to suffer either way. Biden is supporting the murder of Muslims, how could they stomach bubbling his dumbass zionist name on election day?
load more comments
(4 replies)
Man, the amount of people in this thread that don't understand downballot exists, and that's the best tool to force direction changes within upballot. I always vote for the least worst on the upballot and exclusively progressive+educated in the downballot.
load more comments
(10 replies)
“Look, we’re not silly—we know what Trump has done to our communities,” says Amer Zahr, the president of the Dearborn-based New Generation for Palestine. But when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he continues, “The policies are basically the same. Except when Trump does it, you get some pushback from the Democratic Party.”
Positively delusional.
So they're going to vote for Trump? Trump is a very strong ally to Israel. Trump certified their land grab of the golan heights. Best guess is he would certify the land grab of all of gaza
No, they just probably won't vote at all or vote for a third party who won't win.
Not that it's a good idea, but that's what will probably happen. And tbf this is more of a problem resulting from the two party system, so most people don't like to follow the logic of vote for the lesser evil when there are many other countries that don't force you into such a situation on literally every political decision.
load more comments
(3 replies)
GAH ZAH. Have you seen this place? Rubble everywhere. You can't live there. It's in Israel, isn't it? I say, let the Israelis have their pile of rubble. Those Palestinians don't live there anymore, can't imagine why! They should take all of that rubble, crush it down into TINY TINY pebbles, and dump it all on Hilary's front lawn!
I still don't understand why the US only has a two-party system, and both of them suck ass. Can't they elect someone else who actually has actual goals that actually benefit the country and its people? Why aren't they allowed to do something like this? So much for freedom.
First past the post and the electoral college
Any third party candidate has next to no chance of winning, we have to vote against one side, not for another, so a 3rd party has to get enough support that they can pull the entire base of one side or the other side wins.
load more comments
(1 replies)
load more comments
(1 replies)
The two party system is the system we have because we believe in the efficacy of it. I know we make the "vote blue no matter who" arguments but thats fucking exactly what they want. The parties are perfectly positioned to secure different sections of voters and lock them in. Where I felt like I wouldnt want another choice two weeks ago, I am far more likely to consider it now.
The two party system is the system we have because we believe in the efficacy of it.
No, noone believes in the efficacy of it. It is the system you have because it is now beyond anyone's powers to reform it. It is a mixture of archaic and wilfully corrupt laws and rules, which has petrified into something that disproportionally serves one minority fringe and its interests over all others.
The majority of people does not think it serves their interests, but they are powerless to change it exactly because the small but powerful group whom it actually benefits has disproportionate power to prevent it from happening.
load more comments
(1 replies)
TBF, if Time magazine is saying this then it should cause at least some general concern as we're a week + one year out from the vote. Single issue voters exist. I'm not addressing/excusing the rationale behind this and I can't believe I'm calling this pain down on myself, but where are all the "big tent Dems" at? I mean, we can rationalize pandering to the right to pick up house moms that would otherwise vote for Trump, but the concerns of the Arab Americans are a bridge to far? This seems like a blind spot that could come back to haunt us like not campaigning in the midwest in 16'.
Before I get the "blue no matter whos" choir on me as well, just remember there's a saying that proceeded that; "Democrats vote with their heart" and we need to be very mindful of everyone that relates to, as we can't afford to lose anyone. Hate doesn't need to be rational. It often finds it's best fuel to be emotion.
I mean, man, if I had my way, I'd say fuck Israel, either reduce aid drastically or demand more accountability regarding civilian casualties. But unfortunately, a good half of Dem voters are still quite content to support Israel unconditionally. I absolutely am in favor of reaching out to the Arab-American community, but I doubt it's going to happen anytime soon.
Honestly, the 'best' realistic outcome is that many of us will remember this shitshow, especially those who are young enough to still be forming opinions on international affairs, and unconditional support for Israel will drop further with upcoming voting age cohorts.
Pug Jesus, you always spoil me by the grace of your presence. I hear ya. With the shit shows I've been in the middle of lately, doubly so. I didn't think as much of this when I first heard it, but this is like the 3rd time I'm hearing it and it feels like someone out there in media thinks this is worth warning about.
It already seems like the Biden admin is beginning to see that they are between a rock and a hard place here, so I think a lot of it will come down to how they handle this. Both parties and this system is beyond fucked, but we're all at the mercy of it till someone can take fascism off the table and put it back in the toilet. I just really hope that they don't fuck this up man. It already looks like Biden can't get Israel back on "plan" or pull back on the reins anymore or it would have happened middle of last week. So it feels fucked.
I was knocking doors for candidates today and had an old man just go on for 20 minutes about how things are all falling apart because of 20 years of immigration and that he knew who was secretly all behind it. Yup, Obama. And THAT is why you don't hear about him in the news anymore.
I don't want this war to come back here but maybe it was always inevitable. Just so you know, rifle plates and carriers are relatively cheap. <3
Pug Jesus, you always spoil me by the grace of your presence. I hear ya.
You're too kind! I'm just a bored cripple who pays too much attention to things that make him sad.
With the shit shows I've been in the middle of lately, doubly so. I didn't think as much of this when I first heard it, but this is like the 3rd time I'm hearing it and it feels like someone out there in media thinks this is worth warning about.
Honestly, I don't think anyone was really expecting this level of... indelicate operations from the Israelis. We'd all gotten 'used' to the general oppression and Israeli "Totally guys, we use responsible and discriminate military force in Gaza" excuses, and now it just feels very... mask off. I suspect some apparatchiks in the Israeli government are pissed right now that so much PR work to enable a quiet genocide is being flushed down the drain.
I don't want this war to come back here but maybe it was always inevitable. Just so you know, rifle plates and carriers are relatively cheap. <3
Argh. As fucked as things are, I tell myself of all the crisis moments we've had to deal with, the country only dissolved into civil war once. One hopes that once was enough - and that the alternative isn't worse.
Maybe something to pass the time then? https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-after-the-revolution-82966686/
If you haven't already listened to it of course. I think it's a pretty fun and zany, post revolt schism, sort of cyber punkish/ anti christofascist romp.
Argh. As fucked as things are, I tell myself of all the crisis moments we've had to deal with, the country only dissolved into civil war once. One hopes that once was enough - and that the alternative isn't worse.
I've started to wonder if corruption on the global scale hasn't made all the superpowers incompetent. The US covid response, J6, the current shitshow, and a lack of response to the Republican obstructionism has really lowered my opinion of how robust our government stateside is. I'm unsure that another civil war here would really even be recognizable as such outside maybe fights evolving between cities, states, and the federal government. Probably raids back and forth from those not in the middle. Attacks on supply lines and infrastructure. Who knows really.
Very few see these conflicts for what they really are anyway, (which by my reckoning is) the beginning of the climate wars.
I guess at least we've got the brains on our side and that makes things a little more hopeful. And the blessings of his holy Pugness of course.
"both sides" ☝️🤓
How are democrats different from republicans when it comes to israel? If the shoe fits...
At least some democrats are willing to admit that Israel may have done some bad
load more comments
(1 replies)
view more: next ›