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I currently use ExpressVPN and find it ok. In the past I've used Mullvad and AirVPN and tbh I think they were all fine.

However, I would probably trust a provider more if there has been an actual case where police tried getting the logs and the VPN provider gave them nothing.

For me I really distrust NordVPN because this provider is just so overshilled everywhere - like even on national TV NordVPN have ads, which for me is just a red flag.

Curious here to know what the consensus here is about the different VPN providers.

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[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 92 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Mullvad.

Shit you can pay for the service by anonymously mailing them cash.

[–] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You don't even create an account with them either.

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[–] dislocate_expansion@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

so what's the benefit here? just to not broadcast to your credit card/crypto chain that you purchased it? i assume they still have logs with the ip address you're connecting from

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don't keep logs, and are audited to prove that. When you sign up, you get an ID number, they don't ask for your name or email or anything. There's no password either.

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[–] grant@toast.ooo 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They also support payment in Monero so you don’t even need your crypto chain

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[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Their servers are also RAM only, with no permanent storage at all. They load the OS and software from a network every time they need to reboot a server.

It's physically impossible for them to keep logs.

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[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 47 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mullvad gets my vote as the goat. I’ve tried Proton and I get half the speed. No port forwarding is the only issue.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I’ve tried Proton and I get half the speed

I'm jealous

To clarify, Protons' free tier is already enough to get the most out of my bandwidth.

[–] olof@lemmy.ml 32 points 10 months ago

My vote goes to Mullvad. Possibly Proton VPN as a second contender.

[–] DeadNinja@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

However, I would probably trust a provider more if there has been an actual case where police tried getting the logs and the VPN provider gave them nothing

That literally is what happened with Mullvad.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/mullvad-vpn-hit-with-search-warrant-in-attempted-police-raid

[–] vim_b@lemmy.ml 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

IVPN, Mullvad, or Proton VPN.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Mullvad got raided in sweden not sure if recently but they have a post about it.

They complied with the law and provided nothing as they don't store logs is my understanding but after a quick circle jerk Swedish pigs fucked right off. I think they posted the docs

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 10 months ago
[–] 726a67@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 10 months ago (5 children)

AirVPN if you need port forwarding. Mullvad if you don’t.

[–] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

AirVPN user here - would also recommend but would note they have not been audited and it does not seem likely they will be as staff does not seem interested.

They did though disclose a 2015 incident where servers were seized and no info was found. So there is some evidence their no log policy is more then just words although your still only getting their version of the event.

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[–] jafea7@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

Windscribe made an interactive VPN Relationship Map if you're interested, besides listing all the connections between companies if you click on a provider it should list any publicly available cases where the logs handed over.

https://windscribe.com/vpnmap

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] thelazywriter@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 months ago

The comments here are clear. Mullvad is the champion. Mullvad, what is best in life? “To evade your enemies’ servers, see their tracking wilt before you, and to hear the lamentation of the blocked ads.”

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your gut reaction about Nord is correct. They completely mishandled a breach a few years ago and never did anything to even attempt to regain trust. I care more about the transparency here than I do about the attack itself.

[–] circusrabbit@mastodon.social 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@thesmokingman @GreyTechnician

Valuable lesson in not buying 69 years super discounted plans.

[–] SethranKada@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Been using proton vpn for a few years now, works great. They made a better Linux client recently too, so it's just been smooth sailing from the get go for me.

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Their new Linux client was a massive upgrade

+1

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 13 points 10 months ago
[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 9 points 10 months ago

Proton or mullvad.

[–] Name-Not-Applicable@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How about Mozilla’s VPN? Is it not just Mullvad under the hood? I ask because I use Mullvad, but I would also like to support Mozilla.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 5 points 10 months ago

Yes they are a reseller/rebranded Mullvad, literally no difference. Servers and performance are identical.

[–] LunchEnjoyer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I am currently writing my master thesis on this topic. The three beat choices out there are, Mullvad, ProtonVPN, IVPN. Plus Windscribe for an honorable mention (they have by far the funniest marketing team).

[–] viking@infosec.pub 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Neither one of them works in China, so I hope your thesis explains as to why they are "best" if a malevolent government can simply instruct local ISPs to block the client-server handshake nationwide and thus expose all customers relying on encrypted communication to crackdowns by local authorities.

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[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Can i have access to your thesis? Is be very interested to give it a read

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[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Airvpn all the way.

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mullvad is the only one I trust now.

Their entire infra is in ram and they don't require emails or phone numbers from you.

I used to use Nord but between the controversy and how much of a pain it is to get a .ovpn config now I just cancelled the rest of my 2year subscription and moved to Mullvad.

I'll never look back it's x10 the experience of any provider I've used before.

[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

Absolutely to mullvad

[–] steal_your_face@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

I use Mullvad and I like it but I’m not too advanced with my usage.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

One strike against nordvpn is they will give you a deal on a three year purchase then put you on an expensive annual plan and charge you a couple months before the three year purchase lapses. I had to threaten a charge back on my credit card for them to refund their annual subscription charge.

[–] solberg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I’m using Mullvad through Tailscale now. Works OK. I think Proton has a free plan

[–] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

Proton does have a free plan but it's very limited

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[–] Uluganda@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

The securest VPN is the one that you can control. I've been using OpenClash on my router, and if anything ever happen, I can just destroy the droplet on my VPS server.

[–] Kayel@aussie.zone 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Mullvad has had some awesome projects recently.

Proton have been trying to drive a privacy orientated ecosystem and an alternative to the big three.

Both deserve your money. Great companies

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