Kherson was one of the four regions annexed by Russia in September. The remaining regions are Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts (and of course Crimea).
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Russia still controls Kherson region, they've pulled out of Kherson city.
Russia's getting it's ass kicked part 9001.
You make it sound as if Ukraine made some actual military victories in combat or something.
Some battles are not necessary won with weapons. Russia leaves Kherson, as it becomes too costly (in terms of resources, including humans) or too risky to hold it further.
The situation is actually similar to Zmeinyj island: when Russia captured it on early satges, but later Ukraine (mainly with long-range NATOs artillery) forced to leave it.
You're right, the situation is very similar to Zmeinyj, neither has any strategic importance. All Ukraine gets out of this is a PR victory. The city doesn't provide Ukraine with any resources, and it will tie up troops. If it was hard to hold for Russia, then same goes for Ukraine as well. Again, same parallel as Zmeinyj island that neither side is willing to spend resources to hold.
Are you actually communist? Why side with fascist kleptocracy Russia?
I side with reality.
I remember seeing mentions of you saying Russia would not invade Ukraine.
I did not think that Russia would invade Ukraine. At the time it seemed that Russia could get what they wanted through diplomatic means. Clearly that didn't turn out to be the case. Nobody has a crystal ball that lets them see the future. All we can do is look at the information available and make judgments about what's likely to happen given information that's available at the time.
Not sure why you think that's some kind of gotcha.
Cool. But I wonder what is your actual agenda. You publish your reality that is favorable as pro Russia/China; so your agenda is more generalizable as anti-west than left/communism. Well China sides with Russia even though one tries socialism and state capitalism and the other fascism/kleptocracy/populism/nationalism. They align for historical, anti-west, authoritarian, economic, strategic defense.
My agenda is to educate heavily propagandized people in the west on the information that's suppressed by media here.
The west is the greatest threat to the world today. US empire dominates and subjugates many countries preventing them from being able to develop. The sooner this empire falls the better off humanity will be.
While Russia may be a capitalist hellhole just like the west, it's currently playing a role of destabilizing this nightmarish empire. The likely outcome of this conflict will be that the west implodes economically. The biggest winner from all this will ultimately be China, a socialist country led by a communist party.
I see. That makes sense. Thanks for explaining it to me. For a moment I thought CPC was funding you.
Basically a very humble posadist with a lot of spare time on one's hands 🤷
Thanks for letting us know more about yourself.
And that's it? I've been waiting for so long for you to react to liberation of Kherson and that's the best you came up with?
My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined
They have decided not to contest' this territory, it's very simple 😂
It did seem unlikely given that Russia now considers Kherson city to be Russian territory. Please do explain what this changes militarily if Ukraine controls Kherson city.
Please do explain what this changes militarily if Ukraine controls Kherson city.
Russia will have to recapture Kherson, as it is part of Russia (since Sept. 2022).
Now that they ran the referendum, they don't really have a choice in the matter according to their constitution. However, they can do this on their own time. There is no pressing need for Russia to do that right now. But this does tie up Ukrainian troops in order to hold it.
Russia's ultimate goal is a military victory and destruction of the Ukrainian army. If they achieve that goal then they will capture a lot more than just Kherson city.
That's pretty incoherent. Russia evacuated the city, and letting Ukraine take it the same way they let Ukraine take other territory earlier. This is not a victory where Ukraine actually defeated Russian army. While that's happening, Russia is moving in additional 300k troops and destroying Ukrainian power grid as we speak.
There’s a pretty stark difference between the way Russia and Ukraine conduct this war. Russia always prioritizes preserving the troops and equipment while focusing on strategic gains. On the other hand, Ukraine strategy is driven largely by delivering media victories for their western sponsors.
As a result, Ukraine is suffering horrific losses of men and equipment without having the ability to replenish either effectively. Ukraine has no domestic military industrial capacity at this point, and relies solely on the dwindling supplies from the west. Meanwhile, much of the able bodied population has already been either drafted or fled the country by now.
additional 300k troops
How many of those actually showed up? How many fled across the border? How many did Putin later walk back because he realized calling up 50 year olds was a bad look? And how many are so poorly equipped and/or trained that they're more trouble than they're worth?
Every report I've seen says that not only did they meet the quota, they also got around 70k volunteers. Russia has over a 100 million people, it's absurd that anybody would think they couldn't scrape 300k troops.
Also, Russian mobilization cut off was at the age 45, while Ukraine just announced a mobilization of anybody under 60. That does give a hint regarding who's hurting more for troops.
Meanwhile, literally millions of people have fled Ukraine already, and you seriously think Ukrainian troops are better equipped with their hodge podge of donated weapons from NATO inventories?
yeeees-yes-yes, beautiful! Yeah, let me see
- retaliation is a strategic gain | check!
- driving away the enemy without a fight is both suffering horrific losses and also ~~doesn't count~~ not a real victory | check-check!
- dooming the poorest of civilians to frost death without electricity while not affecting the situation on the battlefield is a real victory (oof, I thought you're communist!) | CHECK
- EU will freeze 😞 | Not check! | did you forget to practice your lines? I thought we've already gone through this all several times!
Also-also, can you name a situation where you would (hypothetically of course!) acknowledge ukrainian gains? I really would like to have it on the record to show it to you later
Wake me up when Ukraine actually manages to defeat Russia in combat little buddy.
So what impact does this actually have on the war? Is Kherson still inhabited or has it been cleared of civilians?
Now HIMARS can reach Crimean airbases 😉