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[–] LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why would you need to do this if your cause and actions are just? What are they trying to hide? I hope more people see this and understand Israel is morally bankrupt.

[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is normal to disrupt and jam all communication ahead of an invasion.

IEDs, tactical comms etc.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Yep. They are going in.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Makes it harder for news to spread, documenting warcrimes and genocide, etc

[–] foofiepie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I know, but this would happen whether war crimes were intended or not.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Can nobody here think like a military just for one second and understand that they don't care about spread of information? That information will be leaked after the blackouts are over, nothing can change that. That blackout is purely so that Hamas would lose their communication capabilities. It's a classic proven war tactic and a totally legit one.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to do this if your plan is to exterminate the Palestinians and move onto their land for your own purposes.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not to sound like an invasion apologist, but I’d imagine they want to limit the ability for IEDs to be remotely detonated.

[–] qwertyqwertyqwerty@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

It also theoretically would cease some methods of communication between Hamas members.

Also not taking any sides here, just an explanation as to why communications get shut down during military conflicts.

[–] V17@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I get people are against the invasion, but if they cannot see legitimate and obvious reasons for restricting options of (human or machine) communications, they're either completely ideologically blinded or stupid.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

A simple two way radio would counter that, unless the are jamming all RF.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Hiding genocide.

[–] ilovesatan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not supporting Israel or anything but denying your enemy the lines of communication is, like, one of the core tenants of warfare.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

they're all morally bankrupt

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Non-Google AMP link: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/rcna122531

If you see the word "amp" in the url, please do everyone a favour and delete it. Usually that's all it takes.

[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No worries at all. FYI you can also edit posts in lemmy, so you could still remove it.

[–] pleasemakesense@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

nice, thanks!

[–] mrsgreenpotato@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry for my ignorance, but what does this AMP do and why is it important to remove it? Is it a referral link or something?

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

AMP is a project started by Google, Accelerated Mobile Pages, which ostensibly speeds up loading web pages (primarily news websites) by consolidating them to a single set of servers. This was always a lie, however, as the bottleneck with mobile devices is almost always the mobile connection itself, not the back end interconnections between different news websites' servers.

In reality the goal is to consolidate web traffic to make it easier for Google to track users. Google also strong armed websites into using it, as if you didn't use it then your articles wouldn't show up in the news ribbon at the top of search or in Google Now voice search. Supposedly they don't do this anymore, however they no doubt still require it in the terms of other services they provide.

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based on what Netanyahu posted this morning, they are likely planning on destroying the biggest hospital in Gaza and killing everyone there and in the surrounding area.

So, hundreds of deaths. And they want to prevent it from being recorded and shown to the rest of the world.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

I doubt they're dumb enough to think that cutting off most real-time communication would prevent those images from coming out.

[–] blazera@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plus you know, the people being blown up

[–] rafa@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're not Americans so it's not important apparently

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

No oil? No cares.

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just a little theory: they might be waiting for most of the population to die from lack of food, water, and medical equipment, and the rest to join Hamas before the ground invasion. It wouldn't be a great look to go around killing civilians on the ground like they're doing in the West bank, but going around and freeing the area from Hamas terrorists? well, now we are talking.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't know what you mean by "most of the population" but a million-plus people dying of dehydration, starvation, or treatable illness isn't a better look than people dying in a ground assault. If anything, it's more cruel. I'm not defending it (using food and water as a weapon against a population is a war crime) but I could make a case that increasing desperation could benefit them. If deaths are even a fraction of that though, their already-shaky international support would collapse.

but a million-plus people dying of dehydration, starvation, or treatable illness isn’t a better look than people dying in a ground assault.

well you can just say: "It's a side effect of war, HAMAS can use those resources too! we cannot allow that to happen", but when your troops are on the ground and can see what they're killing Al-Jazeera becomes a problem.

The same can be applied to airstrikes: "They cannot see what they're hitting"

their already-shaky international support would collapse.

I can assure you that they can kill nearly anyone in the middle east at this point and that won't happen, they can kill an entire population and they will get away with it if they do it over a long enough period of time.

increasing desperation could benefit them.

You might be right, it looks like the invasion is very close.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, no, no.

All the people dying of dehydration, starvation, or treatable illness because Israel neither lets them out nor lets anywhere near enough humanitarian aid in (only about 5% of what is needed and that didn't last a week before being stopped) are the fault of Hamas because they're being used as Human Shields^(tm?)^

/s

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's a dumb theory

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Paltel was the last ISP standing and now it is kaput. Fairly common for Iran to turn off their internet after Friday prayers, but Gaza was caused by shelling.

[–] Guydht@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Ya'll can't think for a second from a military perspective.

No. This is not about hiding what they do - things will leak either way after the blackout is over - you can't erase data from people's devices.

This is a 100% legitimate war tactic of breaking your enemie's communication, making them less prepared for combat and catching them by suprise.

If ya'll are pro palestinian then you're also anti-Hamas, and that's a 100% anti-Hamas move. That's a good sign of Hamas about to take a massive hit.

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Hamas terrorists operate inside and under Shifa hospital and other hospitals in Gaza with a network of terror tunnels, Shifa is not the only hospital, it is one of many. Hamas use of hospitals is systematic. We have concrete evidence that hundreds of terrorists flooded into the hospital to hide there after the massacres

Nice going Hamas, the dildo of consequences of rarely comes lubed.