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[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 113 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The question is answered in the first three words. "I'm a Republican" = YTA.

The democrats are not to blame. They have been consistent throughout. They didn't want McCarthy back in January and they didn't want him three weeks ago. The GOP filed the motion to vacate, forcing the democrats to answer honestly: Nope, We Still Don't Want Him. At any time it would have taken about five republicans, fewer than half the number of republicans (and only republicans) that held the chamber hostage for three weeks, to cross the aisle and elect Hakeem Jeffries. If anyone thinks the D bear responsibility, they must admit the GOP bears tenfold.

[–] pingveno@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if they didn't want Hakeem Jeffries specifically, they could have bargained for someone else. If they were in the mood to cross the aisle, they would be holding all the cards.

Republicans like circling the wagons to the point that the horses get choked out and they're elbowing each other in the face.

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a few moderate Republicans and yes they could have gone across the aisle, but they would never let Jeffries become Speaker. That was never an option on the table and it would have created a very dysfunctional House. After all, Committees would still be run by the Majority and it just wouldn’t be possible to run the House that way. Too many logistical challenges and broken norms to make it work. What they would have done had moderate Republicans reached across the aisle is to elect a Republican speaker with several concessions that would ensure Democratic legislation could stand a chance of getting out of Committee and onto the Floor for a vote. That price was apparently too high as well, since 100% of Republicans voted for Mike Johnson.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blaming Democrats is outright idiotic. Republicans have a majority, and offer no compromise for Democrats to vote for.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

90%+ of what Republicans blame Democrats for is idiotic.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

And it doesn't matter. Most of their base does the exact same thing. As long as those people get confirmation of what they want to believe, that is all that matters.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

YTA. It is just unreasonable to expect a party to vote for the opposing party's Speaker, and if a Speaker can't get enough votes to save themselves, they aren't about to lead an effective coalition.

The option was already dysfunction vs a different kind of dysfunction because of the Republicans who turned against their own Speaker. They would either get a Speaker they approved of or they would bring the House to a standstill. They had already taken to blocking all House business under McCarthy. You just have to blame the dysfunction on them.

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What has the Republican Party ever done for you to earn your vote?

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Guess you didn’t read the article?

[–] Maddie@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AITA: I’m a Republican

YTA

[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Could have stopped at "AITA: I'm a Republican..." and the answer would be the same.

Yes.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

GOP being GOP.

[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like a lot of people didn't read the article... There wasn't a thread about this, it's just a framing device.

Or maybe I am just being pedantic, idk

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Nah, I agree with you...

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

YTA and go fuck yourself for voting republicans.

Next?

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you even bother to read the article?

[–] subignition@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Disappointing to see so many impulsive replies. READ THE ARTICLE folks, it's well-written.

The claim that Democrats are responsible for the House impasse reads to me like an AITA post. So, imagine that the Republicans claiming that the House inability to get any work done is the fault of the Democrats wrote in to AITA. What would the judgment be?

[–] doc@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Too be fair, the AITA format is typically a self post, not an article link. We're used to commenting on the title only when it's worded like that.

[–] InfiniteLoop@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

This isn’t the dems fault, and I don’t think this would have worked (the republicans probably would have chickened out), but in a dream scenario where politics wasn’t politics, I would have liked to see a coalition of both sides come together to elect someone like Emmer (hopefully I got that name right). He was the best solution the dems were ever gonna get, and personally I would have had a lot of respect for dems swallowing their pride and voting for him to keep the far right from taking control.

Of course, it’s all moot as long as the house keeps that awful single person can vote to vacate rule on the books. The far right would have just taken turns with movements to vacate and create a different flavor of turmoil.

All that said, it’s not the dems fault we are here - it’s the fault of the freedom caucus, the party that let those people become candidates, AND the people that voted for them.

[–] MilkToastGhost@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The concept behind AITA is that even though a title can lead people in one direction the explainition may take you in another. All the people who didn't read the article and instead made snap judges based off a title.. YTA

Or rather a EHS

Don't you all see how the current reflection of governance is not aligned with the views of the people? Your news pits you all against each other with fear factors. I don't agree with views of Republicans but freedom caucus and my neighbor Bob have different agendas. One is being told someone is trying to destroy them and the other one is on tv telling them that. It's easy to fall in with views your comfortable with and stay there long after they get out of hand. Education takes time

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

if you think of yourself as a Republican right now, your default state of mind is finding someone to blame for your little headache.. and your default activity is bitching about it as loud as possible to whoever will listen to your crying ass..

[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Funny enough, all the republicans I work with have been silent on this whole debacle, and the trump cases. They sure as hell can't stop running their mouth about biden though.

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I approve of this comment section 👍

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't. I'm not sure who had actually read the article...

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ehh, the article is good, but people get the theme it's going for already.

Blaming the person who is reasonable for not covering for the unreasonable person does not make the reasonable person responsible when shit blows up.

The GOP is playing at "if you just gave me what i wanted, I would stop hitting them" and trying to say that it's the "not hitting peoples" fault for not giving in.

Folk aint buying it.

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I read the last 10% because the first 90% was explaining how the AITA subreddit works. Worthless article IMO.

Also, Democrats NTA. McCarthy was a goon and everybody knew it. That picture of him shaking Cheeto’s hand in the days following 1/6 was all anybody needed to see to know this.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

Worthless article IMO.

Oof! At least you read the article. Thx.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you expect pro republican comments?

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's not really what they're saying. Instead, they're saying that it's obvious which commenters only read the headline.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which is due to the headline being phrased in the same way as the commonly used Reddit theme of AITA. It makes it seem as if the OP is asking the question, rather than it being the headline of an editorial.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or people are just lazy and self-righteous.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A little from column A, a little from column B

[–] MilkToastGhost@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The concept behind am I the asshole is that even though a title can lead people in one direction the explainition may take you in another. All the people who didn't read the article and instead made snap judges based off a title.. YTA

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You’re not an asshole. You just don’t understand how majorities work.

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really interesting to spend 2/3 the article framing the discussion. I totally think it works, but I was surprised how much time we devoted to tardiness and speeding tickets.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

The audience wasn't Lemmy/Reddit...I don't think retired English teachers write for us usually lol

[–] neclimdul@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'd be more convinced if it wasn't the 4th time they were going to lose their license. Also, they agreed to stop speeding if he cooked dinner more but that was a lie and immediately started again but expected him to keep cooking. Also ...