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[–] doomkernel@sopuli.xyz 214 points 10 months ago (14 children)

I still believe the name should be Linux Subsystem for Windows. The other way around sound like Proton

[–] phorq@lemmy.ml 90 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That would require Microsoft admitting they come in second.

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The one Microshaft fanboi downvoting you for speaking facts 🀣

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[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 43 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Microsoft has always been terrible at naming things. And at developing things. And at literally everything.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'd say the one thing they've been decent at is input devices, oddly enough. I was pretty happy with my SideWinder 3D Pro joystick and my Intellimouse Explorer back in the day. I also still (very occasionally) use an Xbox 360 controller attached to my Linux PC.

No credit for Xboxes themselves, let alone other hardware like Zunes and Windows Phones and shit, of course.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They were historically good at input devices because they were the only ones with enough weight to get manufacturers to stop fucking around and use xinput, which guaranteed their hegemony with normal controllers for a long time. 5-10 years ago, it was basically impossible to get a normal controller (ie Xbox or ps layout) that was not approved by Microsoft, working in all games.

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[–] thestereobus@lemmy.ml 31 points 10 months ago

It’s also usually lawyers that create these names. I worked on databases for IBM Cloud and they were all called β€œIBM Cloud Databases for Elasticsearch” and what have you. Despite it being an offering of the database on IBM’s cloud.

Since Elasticsearch is a brand name, the β€œhost” corporation corporation has to present it as a product β€œfor” the brand name rather than as the brand name itself to avoid implying that they are acting AS Linux or Elasticsearch or whoever is the third party.

[–] ReakDuck@lemmy.ml 21 points 10 months ago

From where do you think comes the Balmer peak?

https://xkcd.com/323/

[–] maeries@feddit.de 16 points 10 months ago

It actually makes sense. It's a subsystem in Windows (therefore a windows subsystem) that makes Linux work

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[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 10 months ago (19 children)

To this day, I still don't understand what takes windows updates so dam long. Not sure about Mac, but Linux takes, what, 5 minutes at most if you've gone a while.

[–] Espi@lemmy.world 66 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is a byproduct of one of the largest and more ignored differences between windows and linux. The fact that Linux let's you modify files while they are open whereas windows doesn't.

This means that you can update a linux system by just replacing the files with the new ones while it runs. On the other side, Windows can't modify its own files while it runs, so instead it has a second entire OS to update itself, and requires a reboot to unload all the files and boot from the updater without locking windows files.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

In some sense this would even seem an advantage of Windows. (I know it's the fundamental reason for many hangs and freezes, but the idea that a file is a lockable resource doesn't seem that bad.)

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[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mac updates are less frequent but take longer. They also restart the machine. One difference though is that my mac never took it upon itself to start an update without asking my opinion.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

/laughs in company enforced updates/

First they nag you. Then they nag even more. Then they blur out everything making your system unusable unless you hit update.

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 10 months ago

Lack of proper package management is my assumption.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

Very true for mainstream distros, but there's more: Linux updates in the background. No matter how long it takes(if you for example use Gentoo), there is zero downtime. And with kexec your system can be its own bootloader and can do insane stuff like starting new kernel without re-running POST, which is on servers is very important(because they have shitty BIOS that takes ages to boot).

[–] notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I hear it takes a long time on Macs too!

thankfully I don't have this problem on my Gentoo

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[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 63 points 10 months ago (4 children)

WSL allowed my stupid Windows desktop to run Pihole. Very cool? Meh.

Not as cool as running Pihole on an old android phone. Somehow that’s much more stable.

[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 55 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Everything that doesn't involve Microsoft is more stable.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Meh, Microsoft has put out some shitty fucking software but Windows XP, 7, and 10 were tight.

The only time any of these OS’s fell apart was when I downloaded viruses from sketchy sites.

[–] casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.works 26 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The security on XP was comically bad. When people say "physical access is full access," they aren't even considering XP despite it being the textbook definition to the phrase. You were able to access the command line without even logging in.

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[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I will never understand why people liked Windows XP, I'd rather use Gentoo Linux from 2002 compiled from a stage 1 tarball than this steaming pile of shit. Windows 7 was solid, but 10 was (again) the biggest piece of garbage. Horrible UWP UI, Cortana, the garbage Windows Store, the Windows Phone integration, the useless Xbox app, the shitty version of OneNote, crappy MS Edge, Candy Crush ads in the fucking start menu and tons of data collection. Oh yeah, what a great operating system!

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I will never understand why people liked Windows XP, I’d rather use Gentoo Linux from 2002 compiled from a stage 1 tarball than this steaming pile of shit.

It was necessary for games. (Source: I dual-booted Windows XP and Gentoo Linux in 2002.)

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[–] hunter2@sh.itjust.works 59 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I once tried wsl on my work machine instead of having to deal with cygwin or msys2. Unfortunately the virus scanner didn't like that a whole lot and my account was locked. Man do I love enterprise problems on top of normal problems.

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 41 points 10 months ago (4 children)

That must have been an incredibly shitty virus scanner if it complains about Windows features.

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Probably McAfee or Norton, which are pretty much viruses themselves.

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[–] 520@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Enterprise security software tends to err much more on the side of caution.

There are plenty of Windows features who's usage will flag because they are also favourite tactics by actual threats, such as Powershell one liners. Bonus if it's in Base64.

[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Powershell one liners are uglier than the worst winner of Obfuscated Perl Contest. Super cringe....

[–] 520@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

That I would agree... But they're excellent for getting fileless reverse shell on a victim's machine

[–] candyman337@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My company's shut off my Internet for using visual studio. Sometimes they're just too aggressive

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[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The VPN client I'm using doesn't play properly with wsl, so I can often randomly not use internal services, because there's no route available. Unfortunately, that includes our k8s cluster, so I have to use a different kubectl outside of wsl to work with it. Awesome.

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[–] Sagar@sopuli.xyz 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WSL, the best example of how absolute freedom will be misused!

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Why? What’s wrong with WSL?

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 37 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My director got knocked off in the middle of a call where we were trying to establish requirements with a specialist due to a Windows update. I would have laughed if these guys weren't worth so much.

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[–] TheCheddarCheese@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

not trying to be the one person who pushes linux down everyones throats, but in all of my time using it i had to restart to update only once

[–] ShouldIHaveFun@feddit.ch 42 points 10 months ago (6 children)

You do have to reboot to use your new kernel after an update. But it's just a normal reboot, not the whole blocking installation process like in Windows.

[–] Quadrexium@sopuli.xyz 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And a Linux reboot takes like 40s at most and everything works. Where in Windows it takes like 2m to be able to log in and a good 5-10m for all the apps to start working at normal speed

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not always, but mostly yeah. Especially for home users, it's not worth the hassle.

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[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly incredible that this issue has persisted in OEM versions for decades but seems to be progressively getting worse instead of better, now affecting even LTSC copies (for people too stupid to remember to turn automatic updates off). Windows, if you take hours to update a machine twice a week then you're making important equipment inoperable during that time. Please fix that, or you will lose market share even faster than you inevitably will.

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[–] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Look at those eyes, this guy is peaking

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

what does windows updates have to do with WSL

[–] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

WSL exists on a Windows system which means you're still subject to Microsoft's rather insane update practices.

[–] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

linux: sudo pacman -Syyu/sudo apt update/whatever your distro uses

windows: updates whenever the hell it feels like

[–] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

See also ->

Linux: you need to update some core system component? Don't worry, we'll keep right on running until you decide to reboot.

Windows: notepad.exe has an update, we're rebooting in .3s I hope you can save fuckin quick bro

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 14 points 10 months ago

Linux: hey dude, you should probably restart....I mean it's been months.

Windows: so imma just gonna nuke your work, ok cool.

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[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

WSL is just a weird and slow VM. Still beats C++ development with visual studio tho.

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[–] dauerstaender@feddit.de 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.

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[–] satans_crackpipe@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Microsoft really doesn't want Linux running on bare metal.

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[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I'm not trying to defend windows, it has a myriad of issues, but I've never understood the meme of it updating at inconvenient times. I run windows 11 pro, I set it to only update when i tell it to and it does... Like it's never been a problem, wasn't a problem in windows 10 or 7 pro either.

I don't get it, am i windows whisperer and not know it?

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