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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)
  1. Breed bans never solve anything.

  2. Owners are having to do this so they don't risk losing their housing when the ban goes into effect. Since they can't be rehomed, there's no option besides euthanization or abandoning

He said that in many cases, people were concerned about how owning a prohibited dog may affect a housing contract or tenancy agreement. “There is a risk these dogs will be dropped off or abandoned outside veterinary practices,” he said.

Martin also said a number of vets would be uncomfortable destroying healthy animals at the request of their owners. “We are allowed to refuse to euthanise a healthy animal under our code of conduct and as a business, we support all our vets who refuse to euthanise a healthy animal. So I think we’re going to have significant problems,” he said.

[–] shish_mish@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I agree, banning a breed doesn't work. Backyard breeders will just move on to another breed. It used to be rottweilers for a while. The thing is, banning a breed is easy and plays to certain parts of the public. Actually, sorting the issue properly...now that takes time and money and is not easy.

[–] Tatters@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If banning does not work, how do you explain the significant drop in attacks by breeds that are already banned, whereas XL Bullies, previously not banned, account proportionately for far more attacks?

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Did the overall rate of attacks go down? That is what would prove they are effective as opposed to just shifting which breed has the highest proportion.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, banning a breed is easy and plays to certain parts of the public. Actually, sorting the issue properly…now that takes time and money and is not easy.

That's the Tories and their policies in a nutshell - cheap headlines but no desire to do the actual hard work.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You didn’t answer the question

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

What question?

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

rottweilers have never been banned. or threatened with it. Pit Bull Terrier · Japanese Tosa · Dogo Argentino · Fila Brasileiro. are the currently banned breeds.

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So, now there’s going to be an increase of strays of a breed viewed as dangerous just wandering around?

Also, euthanizing healthy animals who’ve not done anything wrong sounds just plain barbaric. Why not just stop the sale or adoption of the breed instead of just abandoning or killing them?

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

Also, euthanizing healthy animals who’ve not done anything wrong sounds just plain barbaric.

Which is why the proposed legislation doesn’t include it.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk -1 points 11 months ago

Has not happened notably in the past. Honestly demestic dogs are not well suited to survival in UK cities. 11k years of demestic breeding means they tend to turn to people. This is true of most violent breeds as well. So strays tend to be captured in cities and not particularly an issue in rural areas. Only difference would be folks calling RSPCA rather then adopting.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 1 points 11 months ago

Interesting. As absolutly anyone owning a dog in a rented house. Has had this same issue. Finding a home that will take a dog is a constant issue. So if as an owner you have chosen a dog known to have a violent reputation. You will have faced that choice with bans or not. Even owning a fucking chihuahua I hav had huge issues finding a house. It has only gotten much worse over time. Sorry no its a bulshit answer. When you choose a Bully XL breed you are doinging so knowing exactly the reputation of that dog. As such your choice is responsible for your issues. Its not like any ban has been independent of the dogs reputation.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Breed bans never solve anything.

Would you like to show the pre and post ban numbers of attacks per breed on that. Because all those very few that happened. Were directlt post several incidents relating to that breed.

i in no way think breed bans are the best solution. But most would be even more uncomfortable with the solution I propose. Any breed known to represent more then average risk during attacks. Should require the same laws and keeping of any other wild dangerouse animal. Just like wolves and tigers. Animals that cannot be shown to be trainable to be safe. Would require safe handleing by skilled staff.

and of course If you cannot rent a property suitable for keeping a dangerouse animal safe. It is not down to opthers to be art risk from your choice.

If you own a pet capable of killing humans. Who but you should face the legal responsibility for housing and careing for that animal.

Any solution that fails to provide that is worse then a ban. So areguing a ban dosent work is just failing.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah bolloks. 1st the law dose not come in for a year. So anyone putting dogs down now is not keeping them due to love. 2nd just like any other breed banned in the past. If you have one now. You are not required to put it down. Just register and keep the animal in a safe responsible manner.

So no utter bollocks if anyone looking to put these dogs down now. Is very clearly not a responsible owner in any way shape or form. Unwilling to take even minimal care and responsibility for their pet. This is nothing more then a bullshit article designed to scare/insight readers .

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


People are already handing in XL bully dogs, with some requesting that their pet be put down, after the announcement of an impending ban, MPs have been told.

At a parliamentary evidence session before the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Efra) select committee, witnesses said vets and animal rehoming centres could become inundated by people seeking to offload the dogs before a ban.

Dr David Martin, group head of animal welfare for IVC Evidensia, a global veterinary care provider, said: “We are already getting clients presenting dogs asking for them to be euthanised because they’re concerned about the effects of a ban.”

Rishi Sunak has announced XL bullies would be banned by the end of the year after a spate of serious attacks involving the dog type.

A number of witnesses said the challenges of correctly identifying XL bully dogs – which are not classified as a breed but a type – would make implementing the ban difficult.

Gaines said the RSPCA had left a government breed confirmation working group over concerns “about its approach and the potential for a large number of dogs to be involved than was actually originally intended.


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[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It seems like a ban on imports and required spaying and neutering would be a less cruel solution. Then when you find dogs younger than the ban you could start talking about euthanizing them.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago

Also what the law requires. Nothing requires safe existing dogs to be euthenised. Just registered and kept in a safe manner.

That said planty of people who are opposed to such laws. Are very willing to spend time talking to vets as a way to use the new law to avoid the responsibility of their own choice. Lets face it a few vest talking to MPs, is far from outside of the number of irrisponsible unprepared breed choosers unwilling to admit they made a mistake.