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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Let me guess where will they buy the weapons. Oh, and the recent visits of many US officials have surely nothing to do with funds incoming for US military-industrial complex.

[–] alatheus@lemmy.perthchat.org 7 points 2 years ago

More profits for Lockheed Martin!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (44 children)

Why does western media keep referring to Taiwan as if it was a country as opposed to a province of China?

Taiwan is part of China. This is a well documented fact, and Taiwan's legal standing is not in question. This is the position held by the UN, and it's the fundamental basis for having diplomatic relations between US and China per Potsdam Proclamation that was signed 77 years ago between China, the US & the UK. This position has never officially changed.

[–] alatheus@lemmy.perthchat.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Doesn't Taiwan also see itself as the legitimate China? I know that Taiwanese Independence is a super controversial topic there because it would mean giving up the "we are the real China" position'

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

That was the original position of KMT after they fled to the island.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago

the governing body of Taiwan sees itself as the ROC (Republic of China). The One China policy is really older than the civil war, it's been going on as far back as thousands years ago in varying ways.

There can only be one China at any time essentially, which is indivisible and covers certain areas; and both the PRC and ROC recognize that. For a long time after the PRC was established, they actually didn't have a seat at the UN -- the UN recognized the ROC and their claim over mainland China, which they'd fled.

They were able to flee to Taiwan because the island was a province of the ROC. The KMT also committed a genocide there to establish their power and be recognized by the local residents as the authority. So even then we can see the KMT's authority wasn't as accepted as they would like us to think.

Both lay claim to what we call mainland China as well as the island of Taiwan. The ROC actually claims more land than the PRC does, actually (for example according to them all of Mongolia is their territory).

But as Yogthos pointed out this is the KMT position, but they are not in power at this time. Current governing body of Taiwan is okay with the status quo (or maybe not anymore, considering they allowed Pelosi to visit), because it kinda works for them. Most people living in Taiwan are okay with the status quo actually. Not being recognized as a country, but still being somewhat of a state.

The independence of Taiwan as its own country has never been a question because that would mean, as you said, that the ROC would stop existing and just be known as Taiwan. And thus they couldn't claim mainland China any more.

But for more context around the ROC and PRC specifically, which is what interests us in the 21st century, is that the KMT only survived because it fled to Taiwan and with US help was able to deter an invasion from the fledgling PRC who really didn't have the naval capacity to invade. If there had not been any island to flee to, the KMT would have been utterly defeated right then and there and there would not be any debate today as to Taiwan's sovereignty; there would only be the PRC.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes. Actually, even more than entire China as it is now, look ROC territorial claims, it's pretty crazy.

[–] nxlemmy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

grrr why do people think a place with its own government, flag, army, and culture is a country grrrr

do you think palestine should be owned by israel too? or that cuba shouldve not fought against the US and just let itself be taken over? no? hmmm wonder why

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, why do people think international law matters. It's a complete mystery. Meanwhile, the fact that you compare Taiwan to Palestine shows such an incredible amount of idiocy on your part.

[–] nxlemmy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

big powerful government tryna impose its will on people who dont accept it as its ruler and are willing to fight for their right to self determination. same shit different air freshener

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

How to say you have no clue regarding the topic you're attempting to debate without saying you have no clue regarding the topic you're attempting to debate. Read up a bit history of Taiwan and you'll quikly realize absurd you sound.

[–] kujaw@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

It can't be officially changed because PRC is in UN. Even if Taiwan wants it.

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[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Have there been live fire incidents between PLA and Taipei militaries before? Clashes, shootouts?

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