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[–] spark947@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going to say it (and eat the downvotes): Unity devs have become entitled, and kinda deserve the new Unity pricing structure.

Supporting more and more devices and functionality of c# on weirder and weirder runtimes. It is a mountain of dev work that Unity is paying for and subsidizing for your game. If there was an open source effort to make a unified c# runtime across all platforms that would be one thing, but it will always be front run by new features releasing to .NET so it will never exist.

Changing an existing agreement for pricing without any warning is gross. But something had to give eventually. I would have told you that 10 years ago.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

.net 7+ is an open source unified runtime.

Unity just needed to move to .net (previously .net core) to save a tonne of work.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

From unity's perspective it is a bunch of wasted work. Thats the issue - they threw a billion dollars at developing their proprietary c# runtime and not recouping the cost of investment. But they can't wait around for Microsoft to make moves. And they probably don't want to open source their runtime either out of fear that a free game engine using it will make the rounds.

Godot ultimately has the right approach: offer support through universal bindings to it's underlying archetype and let devs decide what they want in their game's stack. Everyone wins.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are we using C# I stead of C++ for the in editor language again? Inst C++ more compatible with everything? (I know that GDMatice exists, buts that's a lot more work to use I feel)

[–] kevin3kon@mastodon.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Smorty @mac I have been wondering this non-stop since I found out #godot uses C#!

I know the idea that C++ is the end-all-be-all is an oversimplification at best, but It's still a decision I'd like to know more about.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Godot is mostly written in C++, so it's such a weird decision to switch languages like that, and expose C# instead of C++ as a game logic programming language. I suppose it was done so that Unity devs would find it more attractive. Unreal uses C++, so yeah, why?

Also brand bad, so no C# for me, only GDScript and C++ GDNative.

[–] jack@monero.town 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think Microsoft made a big donation to Godot so they implement C#

[–] mac@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The main language is GDScript rather than either of them (although the engine itself is coded in C++). C# support was added on since microsoft gave them money to do it

[–] kevin3kon@mastodon.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@mac @Smorty 😨 Well that's not good! Microsquish (still) can't be trusted! 😰

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah. Embrace freedom and Foss. Reject Microsoft and C#. Debian User here.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] spark947@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It is in a technicality But the reality is, it will always move at the pace and at the whims microsoft wants it to.

Thats not necessarily a bad thing honestly. But you can really get i to trouble making it a core dependency for something like a game engine. Unity's users didn't care that Microsoft hadn't posted the runtime to iOS, they expected their games to run on iOS. So Unity did a bunch of dev work that is now kind of a bad investment with .NET 8. This is the core of why they wanted to charge an install fee in the first place.

[–] spark947@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I get the idea of having flexible options for game devs. Support for systems language for engine internals (C++), hooks for a runtime machien based language (C#), and support for a dynamic scripting language (GDScript) makes sense architecturally. C# is also strategic because XNA to Unity has pretty much cemented its status for game devs. And then GDExtension to provide an api layer for whatever other language under the sun you want to use. It is a very sensible place for Godot to be in.