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[–] Whom@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

I love firefox and can usually make excuses to myself for them but I'm tired of keeping up with whatever bullshit they're trying today. To librewolf I guess.

[–] Lunacy@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Ditching Firefox for Librewolf is not a solution. Librewolf is just a fork Firefox. If Firefox wouldn't exist anymore, neither would Librewolf.

[–] nlfx@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)

There is something seriously wrong with Mozilla leadership. They keep alienating the small privacy-focussed userbase they have left, and then act surprised when Firefox's marketshare keeps shrinking...

Baker needs to go and be replaced by someone who cares about Firefox long term viability instead of only caring about how many millions more they can add to their obscene salary while destroying Firefox and everything else that Mozilla built over the years.

[–] MarcellusDrum@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago

They are just milking the Firefox cow to death. Their salaries are increasing while the revenue and marketshare is rapidly decreasing. Mozilla is a sinking ship, and sadly we have to alternative.

[–] tmpod 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah their decisions make no sense. It's honestly very depressing seeing such a foundation/company in charge of a project like Firefox doing so much shit... Firefox could be so great and have a much more prominent presence, but they keep failing and failing and failing and completely missing the point.

[–] Echedenyan@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago

Always is not an homophobic/xenophobic/racist/transphobic/sexist/otherkindofdistrimination...

[–] ChinaNumberOne@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

yikes sweaty, mozilla's ceo is a proud bipoc trans woman. stop being so hateful

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

No one mentioned that, at all. Are you another troll account for @SupportTransPeople@lemmy.ml ?

[–] adrianmalacoda@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

People are going to complain no matter how they try to raise money, but this should at least have been opt-in with clear consent.

[–] AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Vivaldi, Brave, and their stans are getting their pitchforks ready, forgetting that they don’t have to do the hard work of developing an engine because Google already does that for them.

I don't know about how Vivaldi works, but Brave stans can shut up. Their ad system is a hundred times worse than Mozilla's.

I mean, I don't like how they went about this either, but considering the alternative of a 100% Google dominated browser space, and the fact that you can just disable it and the base Firefox code is still open source, it's not a huge deal.

[–] adrianmalacoda@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Yeah, I'm not really defending them (from my point of view any feature that does something without my knowledge or consent being turned on by default is unacceptable) but from my point of view they'll always have to dance with a devil of some sort. I say people are going to complain no matter what based on past experiences: e.g. the "sponsored content on new tab", where they made sure to run all the "recommendation" logic locally so that no data was being sent out of the browser, that still wasn't enough because "ads are bad." So maybe from Mozilla's point of view there is no incentive to try to make these folks happy. People complained whenever they tried to offer Pocket or the VPN thing or the password manager because those weren't "core products" but they're also not allowed to monetize the "core product" either. It's like these people expect Mozilla to be able to synthesize money from air.

And, I am not really sure of the value of suggesting Vivaldi (which is vehemently anti-free software) or Brave (dodgy crypto scheme) which also further Google's dominance over the modern web as a side effect, when we have community versions of Firefox such as LibreWolf or IceCat which are basically the Gecko equivalent of those shady Chromium clones.

I think I'm starting to come around to Drew DeVault's position that it is impossible to implement the web as it exists today.

[–] tmpod 4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Yeah sure, but I'm not very convinced this is the best way for them to make money. And you also have to keep in mind that company internal decisions have been really bad, which got augmented by covid. The whole absurd CEO salary is a fine example of the downhill path Mozilla is taking...

[–] stopit@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I understand what you (and many other say) but....why not give some alternative ideas on how to make money as well?

[–] tmpod 2 points 3 years ago

Because I am not qualified to make good proposals, nor do I know the inner workings of Mozilla. I could spew out some ideas but nothing that could concretely be implemented.

I can, however, criticize them in an attempt to raise aawareness and directly, or indirectly, make them work on solving the issues. And as I mentioned, my biggest grudge with them isn't even this (which won't be that big of a problem since you can turn it off), but rather completely derranged distribution of salaries that Mozilla has.

[–] snackwifi@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

What a shame - ads really do have a way of injecting themselves into everything. Who wants to take bets on how ads will make their way into lemmy?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago

We've been running for like 2 years now sticking to our commitment of no ads. I'd sooner shut down the project than succumb to that. We'll always be donation funded.