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I'm sure that you can hardly do worse than Trump, but still. Here's the famous associated meme :

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

To those who downvoted, care to explain why?

[–] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Just libs mad at having the failings and hypocrisy of their team called out

[–] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

my guess is that because of twitter screenshots or glenn greenwald, even tho he is a homosexual, he stands for unlimited freedom of speech and even defended a brazilian podcaster that said we need to legalize a nazi party

anyway, i upvoted so i don't know

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

Glenn Greenwald says a lot of cringy libertarian shit but this isn't one of those instances. It doesn't make the truth any less true just because who is saying it has dumb, awful opinions on other things.

[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It'd be weird as an investigative journalist supportive of whistleblowers like him not to be in favor of free speech. He recently talked about Russel Brand, apparently not a leftist anymore as well according to some people.

People here may disagree, but in an ideal world, fascists or capitalists should be allowed to debate because in these ideal conditions their falseness would be efficiently deconstructed, the public failure of their arguments would serve as a useful reminder for the rest of us.
In my opinion, the u.s.s.r. would have made a mistake by banning anti-communist parties in this ideal world ; however, in the real world, such foreign agents would have perhaps been too powerful/financed/'able to corrupt', the u.s.s.r. already had enough vital threats to survive through in its first decades. If they enabled the conditions for an ~annual debate repeating the demonstration of the errors of capitalism, including with western authors, that would have been beneficial for them(, i'm aware that reality is more difficult, it's just a thought).

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"The cages are blue now so it's ok. Stupid tankie redfash. "

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

By the way, check this post out on another instance if you’re late to the party and want to see some hitler particles detector

[+] libscratcher@lemmygrad.ml -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I will downvote Glenn Greenwald without exception because I consider him to be a fascist. The times when he makes good points are straight out of the fascist playbook of stealing leftist points to redirect people into a fake version of class struggle. In his case, it's a rather obvious struggle to portray the democrats as "actually worse" in order to get Trump elected without ever explicitly supporting Trump - a perfect mirror image of CPUSA's "vote against fascism" campaigns.

I don't know or care whether Glenn consciously supports Trump in his own mind. Nor do I think it invalidates the good work he did a decade ago. People like him, Nick Brana, Jimmy Dore, and Russell Brand will always claim to support a third party, but what they're building isn't a communist party connected to class struggles; its a rebranded Intellectual Dark Web. If you want to see this laid bare, watch Jimmy Dore criticize Cornell West the second he mentions Donald Trump, but as a "progressive": https://youtu.be/vv9WUBuahsY

People will interpret this as me saying you have to vote democrat for harm reduction and reflexively downvote, so let me just say I'm a member of a communist party that runs a 3rd party presidential campaign.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I respect your opinion on this, but i don't agree. For one thing i think calling Glenn Greenwald a fascist is a stretch. Libertarian yes, right wing on some issues for sure, but fascist, no. The same goes for the likes of Jimmy Dore: i don't much like any of these people and i don't think they are in any way our "allies", but that doesn't mean we should reflexively reject everything they say even when it's true. All that does is cede ground to the right wing because it allows them to position themselves as the ones who dare point out the truth about liberals and their hypocrisy which is clear for all to see.

I also don't agree with policing whether or not it's ok to agree with what someone says based on whether or not that helps or hinders Trump getting elected. I think this obsession with Trump and with the results of US elections is misguided and counterproductive. I consider the tendency of the CPUSA to want to help democrats get elected (just so that republicans aren't) to be wrong and opportunist. I have been around long enough to see that in practice it really doesn't make much if any difference at all who gets elected. The rich still steal from the poor, the police still murder migrants and minorities, the empire continues to wage wars abroad.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

that doesn’t mean we should reflexively reject everything they say even when it’s true

I’ll have to agree with this — if someone is parroting leftist points for bad reasons, we should point that out, but that doesn’t make the leftist points themselves illegitimate.

We should take care to avoid reductio ad Hitlerum — Hitler abstaining from eating meat doesn’t mean veganism is a Nazi take

[–] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

A YouTube link was detected in your comment. Here are links to the same video on Invidious, which is a YouTube frontend that protects your privacy:

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I thought this sub was for news not Twitter screenshots

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Fair enough, have an article link:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/border-patrol-temporarily-separated-families-summer-court-filing-says-rcna105524

[+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Apparently it's for misinformation campaigns trying to turn the left against voting in the upcoming election.

Remember folks, apathy is one of the biggest tools in the GOP's arsenal. Pretending like a post is coming from some bleeding heart liberal to make it seem like the Democrats are JuSt As BaD as the GOP. These type of posts are here to make it seem as if both parties are the same, all so you decide to sit it out on election day. A low voter turnout only helps the fascists of the Republican Party gain more power.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

coming from some bleeding heart liberal

Did they just call us libs to our collective faces now?

[–] Beat_da_Rich@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

"Disinformation"

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Democrats are just as bad and as fascist as the GOP.

We're not encouraging anyone to either vote or not vote, we're just pointing out the truth about the corporate uniparty that rules the US.

Also, there are such things as third parties, just saying... you don't have to vote for the blue fascists just because you don't like the red fascists.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Wtf this isn’t Reddit

[–] relay@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago

What is the misinformation?

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

the actual left has been against voting since 1906 you're a bit late there buddy

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

In 2016 alone, the US under Obama dropped 26,171 bombs in the Middle East and North Africa (3 bombs every hour), up 3000 from the previous year. The countries bombed include Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia. He authorized 10 times more drone strikes than George W Bush. 1

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The OP tweets directly dispute your claim because they show there's little material difference between the two parties. Voting for Dems means getting almost exactly the same as voting for the GOP but with crocodile tears. Looks like Dem policy is the bigger tool in the GOP arsenal.

Also, it doesn't matter who wins the popular vote as the electoral college will override it if they don't like the result. Nor does it matter who is voted for in primaries because the party machinery can override it if they don't like the result.

It's okay, though. It's hard to come to terms with the fact that the US isn't a democracy. One day your people will be free. Hopefully it doesn't cost what Dems and the GOP made Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, the indigenous, African slaves, etc (it's a long list), pay for their democracy and freedom.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 year ago

African slaves, etc (it’s a long list), pay for their democracy and freedom.

Bold of you to assume they have that now