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The actor told an audience in London that AI was a “burning issue” for actors.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 133 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] anteaters@feddit.de 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Poor man's voice was stolen and now while he cannot use it anymore you make mean jokes :(

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When I read striking actor Stephen Fry my brain responded Why yes he is! Rather!

Am I a bad person?

[–] drislands@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Oh man I didn't realize that WASN'T what it meant until I read your comment...

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

I think he would be rather pleased.

[–] mycroft@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think it's important to remember how this used to happen.

AT&T paid voice actors to record phoneme groups in the 90s/2000s and have been using those recordings to train voice models for decades now. There are about a dozen AT&T voices we're all super familiar with because they're on all those IVR/PBX replacement systems we talk to instead of humans now.

The AT&T voice actors were paid for their time, and not offered royalties but they were told that their voices would be used to generate synthentic computer voices.

This was a consensual exchange of work, not super great long term as there's no royalties or anything and it's really just a "work for hire" that turns into a product... but that aside -- the people involved all agreed to what they were doing and what their work would be used for.

The ultimate problem at the root of all the generative tools is ultimately one of consent. We don't permit the arbitrary copying of things that are perceived to be owned by people, nor do we think it's appropriate to do things without people's consent with their "Image, likeness, voice, or written works."

Artists tell politicians to stop using their music all the time etc. But ultimately until we really get a ruling on what constitutes "derivative" works nothing will happen. An AI is effectively the derivative work of all the content that makes up the vectors that represents it so it seems a no brainer, but because it's radio on the internet we're not supposed to be mad at Napster for building it's whole business on breaking the law.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 11 points 1 year ago

I don't think permits and concent alone can be used in labor relationship, because the unbalance position of power employees and employers have with each other. Could the workers really negotiate better working conditions? They really can't, not without an union anyway.

[–] Squids@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think a more interesting (and less dubious) example of this would be Vocaloid and to a greater extent, cevio AI

Vocaloid is a synth bank where instead of the notes being musical instruments, they're phonemes which have been recorded and then packaged into a product which you pay for, which means royalties are involved (I think there might also be a thing with royalties for big performances and whatnot?) Cevio AI takes this a step further by using AI to better smooth together the phonemes and make pitching sound more natural (or not - it's an instrument, you can break it in interesting ways if you try hard enough). And obviously, they consented to that specific thing and get paid for it. They gave Yamaha/Sony/the general public a specific character voice and permission to use that specific voice.

(There's a FOSS voicebanks but that adds a different layer of complication to things like I think a lot of them were recorded before the idea of an "AI bank" was even a possibility. And like, while a paid voice bank is a proprietary thing, the open source alternatives are literally just a big file of .WAVs so it's much easier to go outside their intended purposes)

[–] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Studios basically want to own the personas of their actors so they can decouple the actual human from it and just use their images. There's been a lot of weird issues with this already in videogames with body capture and voice acting, and contracts aren't read through properly or the wording is vague, and not all agents know about this stuff yet. It's very dystopian to think your whole appearance and persona can be taken from you and commodified. I remember when Tupac's hologram performed at Coachella in 2012 and thinking how fucked up that was. You have these huge studios and event promoters appropriating his image to make money, and an audience effectively watching a performance of technological necromancy where a dead person is re-animated.

[–] Metatronz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did Tupac's estate agree? Or receive compensation?

[–] Glytch@ttrpg.network 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who cares if his estate agreed to it? HE didn't. His estate shouldn't have the right to make money off of things he never actually did.

Let the dead stay dead, it's just an excuse to not pay new, living artists.

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[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It just the beginning for sure. This future will be the end of artists and still everyone will clapping to AI productions like fools.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago (18 children)

No one cared when spreadsheets replaced a huge chunk of office workers.

If the results are the same what's the issue.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The people who lost those jobs cared.

If not for the wages, people hardly have any attachment to most office jobs. But when it comes to artistic endeavors, a lot of people dream of being able to make a career in those fields. Frankly, that sort of comment itself seems like it comes from envy, like artists ought to be taken down a peg for daring to work with something they are passionate about. I couldn't think of a single artist who bragged about being above automation.

As someone who works of in an office job, if AI could free me to work on something creative that would be wonderful, but if it will instead replace already existing creatives and leave us both without anywhere to work, that is not really helping anybody but executives profiting over it. What benefit does that even add to my life? Remixed porn? Meme generators? It's not the same level of benefit as industrial automation, if any. The human element of art enriches it in an unique way that AI trying to distill a style from countless samples won't be able to do.

[–] cloudy1999@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

This hits the nail on the head. A major component of art is that it's an outlet of human creativity, something we find fulfilling to both produce and consume. If creativity is delegated to machines, what's left for us humans? At some point, we'll grow tired of Taco Bell and re-runs, and what then?

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Making art is something people enjoy, for one thing. Good art also has something of the artist in it, something to it other than "it was made from this prompt".

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It's not the same as any job. It's putting your face and your words behind something you cannot consent to. If someone spoofed your username and started posting offensive things, I've no doubt anyone would be upset. That's just your username. Now add your real life photo, your face, and your voice.

You would have to be a sociopath not to care if suddenly your friends and family received a video of you performing offensive acts or shilling for a political cause you are vehemently opposed to.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"it wasn't me planning the terrorist attack over the phone, it was someone stealing my voice with an AI"

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

This is, unfortunately, the world we are about to be in.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Among those warning about the technology’s potential to cause harm is British actor and author Stephen Fry, who told an audience at the CogX Festival in London on Thursday about his personal experience of having his identity digitally cloned without his permission.

Speaking at a news conference as the strike was announced, union president Fran Drescher said AI “poses an existential threat” to creative industries, and said actors needed protection from having “their identity and talent exploited without consent and pay.”

As AI technology has advanced, doctored footage of celebrities and world leaders—known as deepfakes—has been circulating with increasing frequency, prompting warnings from experts about artificial intelligence risks.

At a U.K. rally held in support of the SAG-AFTRA strike over the summer, Emmy-winning Succession star Brian Cox shared an anecdote about a friend in the industry who had been told “in no uncertain terms” that a studio would keep his image and do what they liked with it.

Oscar winner Matthew McConaughey told Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff during a panel event at this year’s Dreamforce conference that he had concerns about the rise of AI in Hollywood.

A spokesperson for the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP), the entertainment industry’s official collective bargaining representative, was not available for comment when contacted by Fortune.


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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (29 children)

His voice wasn't stolen, it's still right where he left it.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Fair enough. It's not theft, it's something else.

But that's just semantics, though.

The point is that his voice is being used without his permission, and that companies, profiteering people, and scammers will do so using his voice and the voices others. He likely wants some kind of law against this kind of stuff.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (8 children)

If you made a painting for me, and then I started making copies of it without your permission and selling them off, while I might not have stolen the physical painting, I have stolen your art.

Just because they didn't rip his larynx out of his throat, doesn't mean you can't steal someone's voice.

We're getting into samantics but it's counterfeit not stolen.

It would be more like if you made a painting for me, and I then used that to replicate your artistic style and used that to make new paintings without your permission and passed it off as your work.

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[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See, I'm pulling the smartest move right now: AI can't take your job if you use AI to take your own job first.

Besides, I think Hollywood is pretty behind on tech overall. The current state of the art voice generator quality is still pretty bad, it'll be a very long time before it can replace actors in quality (if ever): if you train the AI voice on audiobooks, the generated voice is going to sound like someone narrating an audiobook, which really doesn't sound natural for dialogues at all.

I think then the key point isn't to ban generative transformer based AI: once the tech out of its box, you can't exactly put it back in again. (heh) The real question to ask is, who should own this technology so that it does good and help people in the world, instead of being used to take away people's livelihood?

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