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[–] xhieron@lemmy.world 160 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This is very upsetting to me--more as a point of principle than in fact--but I appreciate that it doesn't bother younger generations at all. I just had a small argument with my 11 year old about how not-a-big-deal-who-cares this is, and it basically ended with us agreeing to disagree since it'll be his problem and his kids' problem.

And the problem is normalizing the notion that an OS doesn't need to include a non-subscription word processor. The entire point of this move is to shift the OS Overton Window in favor of consumers accepting and expecting that features like word processors, spreadsheets, etc., should be installed separately and paid for on a subscription basis despite previous iterations of the same software being feature complete on install and purchased at a set, non-recurring fee.

WordPad hasn't been anybody's first choice for a word processor in years, but it was included with Windows and did the bare minimum for unsophisticated users. Now we're entering an era in which those users will as a matter of course buy off-the-shelf computers that come pre-installed without WordPad, but rather with a trial of Office Fuck-You-Pay-Me Edition. Those users may well discover that after their first six months with their new computer (that has made Microsoft more money selling their data than they paid for it), they suddenly get a pop-up informing them that their trial is up and MS wants $99.99 to release the documents they're holding hostage.

It's a step backwards for consumers in general, so even for the sophisticated of us who are least likely to be personally affected by this change, there's definitely cause for alarm.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I get where you're coming from but I think you're overstating the impact in this day and age. If this had been 1995 it'd be a big deal. Now it's rediculously easy to install any alternative you like for free.

Libre Office is an entire free fully features office suite.

I'm less bothered about removing WordPad than I am about Microsoft advertising and pre-installing it's products in Windows - they force Edge on people, they push OneDrive and preinstall a preview of Office. That's the real problem - not losing WordPad.

At one point Anti-Trust / Anti-monopoly regulators globally punished Microsoft for pushing Internet Explorer to consumers and for a long time in Europe had to offer a choice of Browsers to download on new Windows installs. Now it's allowed to get away with abusing it's dominant position to force it's products on consumers.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 39 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'd like to normalize the notion that an OS shouldn't include any application software except for a browser you can use to install other things. Let people pick what they want to use and install it themselves.

[–] sik0fewl@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, just download LibreOffice or use a free service like Google Docs.

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Better yet, the OS should just include a desktop environment with simple utilities and a package manager to install the applications you want. It will make users less likely to run into malware while searching for the programs in the web

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[–] danielton@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah, even Apple includes the iWork suite (Pages, Numbers, and Keynote) for free on Macs and iPads, no subscription needed.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tbh I use Notepad way more than anything for note making.
If it needs to be formatted, OneNote is free to use and can be saved in any cloud (if there is a shortcut like OneDrive or Dropbox in the Windows explorer)
If it needs to be free and not very sophisticated, I'd look around for a markdown based editor.

If all of that fails, I will use Word.
Never used Wordpad in 15 years (of 24 years of existence) except while trying to open word but Windows suggesting Wordpad first.

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[–] AndreTelevise@lemm.ee 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

WordPad was a fast and efficient way to view doc files without loading into LibreOffice or any other office suite, or to make rich text documents quickly. But alas, we have to go to the cloud for our notes now...

[–] igorlogius@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 17 points 1 year ago

Seriously. Fuck OneNote with a cactus.

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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 43 points 1 year ago

I mean, I use LibreOffice, but for people not that tech savvy it sucks they won't have a basic rich text tool included with Windows.

[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

of course, gotta push more people to that godawful office 365 crap somehow

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[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To be replaced by a link to WordPad Bing AI Edition

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Ew. I’m annoyed by how correct you likely are.

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[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

They must not be able to spy on people thru it

[–] vashti@feddit.uk 34 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Slightly annoyed about this, as I do use Wordpad (it's lightweight and useful for quick notes that I want to mark up with bold and italic). I don't always want to watch Word or Libreoffice load for twenty to thirty seconds.

Shitty decision, happy to be Wordpad's one fan.

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[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (17 children)

This place really hates MS. Can't believe some of the comments here.

[–] eee@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Yeah it's really strange. I'm not a fan of MS by any means, but I've found myself making so many pro-MS comments on Lemmy just because the userbase leans so heavily pro-Linux and anti-MS.

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Lemmy and other Fediverse sites tend to attract folks who prefer FOSS. Early Reddit was that way too!

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

MS has a history which informs what their fututre actions are likely to be. If you can't believe the comments here perhaps you have not heard that history. If you have then consider that lemmy is free software and so you're more likely to find that way of thinking here.

My goto for distrust of MS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[–] sab@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Not to mention the amount of people who think this is about notepad.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Honestly, this blows. WordPad fills a niche between a full blown text editor and notepad. Most of my random daily notes use WordPad still when not OneNote.

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[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only thing I used it for was when older versions of Notepad couldn't handle larger text files. Now it can. So, no loss to me. Notepad going away would suck, that does at least get occasional use although Notepad++ is far superior.

[–] Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Notepad++ can't handle as big files for some reason. At work we have files that can reach 5-600 MB, and NP++ can't always open those, but notepad handles then with no problem.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Active development"? What the fuck do they think needed to be done with txt? More ads? They do realize that there are a lot of txt looker aters right? This is not even a fight, its a "well anyway" sort of thing.

[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Wordpad is for looking at and editing rich text, not txt files. It's not a big deal because no one uses rtf.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

Wordpad is for whatever people use it for, and that is mostly looking at files in some sort of text (words on a pad). My point is if microsoft removes the ability to open a text file then the consequences are on them.

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[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So long as they don't fuck with Notepad, I could give a fuck. Notwithstanding Notepad++ is a thing, so the fuck to be given would be inordinately small.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah where else would I open a ton of ascii art, followed by "Install, then copy crack to install folder" 😂

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I get that people here hate MS, but defending Wordpad is a bonkers hill to die on.

It's complete wank.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the free (as in beer) program that comes with windows to open doc and rtf files and put together fine enough documents. Dropping it is Microsoft telling users unwilling to pay for word without the technical knowhow to get LibreOffice or Abiword going to get fucked. Its anti consumer no matter which way you slice it.

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[–] ichigo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 18 points 1 year ago

oh no, anyway

[–] pepsison52895@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I provide support for a Windows-only application that has to do automated document conversion. Some customers refuse to pay for an additional Office license and the only other option is WordPad. Going back to work on Tuesday is going to suck.

[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] Granixo@feddit.cl 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As long as they leave Notepad. I use it almost daily.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

thanks for nothing, hitler

[–] Davis@r.nf 10 points 1 year ago

I use VSCodium instead.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I guess it's time to go back to Microsoft Works

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It was lighter than word or libre and had formatting, unlike simple word editors like notepad++. Bummer to see it go but surely there is (or will be) an alternative

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Man fuck Microsoft. Killing a free app and replacing it with a paid app that has a subscription bundled.

What the actual fuck!!?

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[–] Deftdrummer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If they remove sticky notes I'm going to lose my shit.

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