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In July, Buma sent the Senate Judiciary Committee a 22-page statement full of eye-popping allegations, and the document leaked and was first reported last month by Insider (after a conservative blogger had posted it online). According to Buma’s account, Giuliani was used as an asset by a Ukrainian oligarch tied to Russian intelligence and other Russian operatives for a disinformation operation that aimed to discredit Joe Biden and boost Trump in the 2020 presidential race. Moreover, Buma says he was the target of retaliation within the bureau for digging into this.

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[–] hogunner@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice to get some high level confirmation but this doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s been paying close attention to Ghouliani for the last 10-20 years. Dude has always been corrupt and doing the bidding of one mobster or another.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was not one mobster or another. He made his name prosecuting the Italian mob so that the Russians could move into NYC.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump and Giuliani are the high watermark tests. If they don’t spend the rest of their lives in prison cells for committing treason at the highest levels, that’s a clear cut signal that certain people can get away with anything, and that American justice has failed.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

“certain rich people” or just “rich people”?

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol. The entire Republican Party is on the Russian payroll, even if they don’t know it.

[–] Syldon@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

There is a lot of cooperation between the UK's Tory party and the Republicans through a group called the national conservative group. There is also a lot of similarities with the stunts being pulled by the Republicans and the Tories with gerrymandering and general corruption of the process in government.

There has been some very credible links with the Tory party and Russian influence. We have a Russian in the Lords. Johnson performed some actions that were incredibly poorly judged. The Tories fought tooth and nail to stop sanctions being applied to certain Russian oligarchs that had money in the UK. Johnson's government stopped the electoral commission from investigating Russian influence with the Brexit referendum. He then went further by pulling the electoral commission directly under government control.

There is now a bad smell about both the Republicans and our Conservatives when it comes to Russian influence. Don't let Trump slide, make him pay for what he has done, and if that proves to have Russian influence then take everything from him. His kids should not benefit from this.

[–] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 41 points 1 year ago

Wow. Compromising giuliani must have been hard. I mean you need a bottle of vodka and a girl. Where are you going to find that?

Borat compromised him FFS

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)

before Rudi was mayor, he was helping clean up the Italian mafia in NYC.. the Russian mafia filled a bunch of the vacuum left behind, and Rudi and the Russians have been friends ever since for some reason..

[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It had been reported that the Russian mafia were feeding information to Giuliani on the Italian mob. It was how Guiliani was able to make his cases, build his reputation to become "America's mayor", AND also compromised him to become a Russian asset. The story was reported a long while ago, and I don't remember which journalist(s) broke the story or who they wrote for, nor their reliability, anymore, but recall them as very highly rated as accurate in their facts.

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Appreciate that but gonna need some facts to support that one. If nobody is reporting it (other than you) then it is hard to believe, as much as I would like to.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it is hard to believe

it's anything but.. in fact it's really easy to believe about that slimeball piece of shit.. when you think about it..

[–] googlrr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

We still gotta see receipts. If it was reported on it will be on the internet. Rudy is a shit bag but we don't gotta make up stuff if there's no proof there's plenty there already for us to go on

[–] n0m4n@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I tried to find my reading, but the post was too long ago for my searches to pull it up. Some supporting facts did turn up. ^1^ The Russian mob was warring with the Italian mob over turf at the time. ^2^ No Russians were indicted in NY at the time, though, by my search of records. ^3^ The KGB were looking for assets, and Giuliani would be a plum target. ^4^ The KGB's MO is to find kompromat and keeps its victims ensnared, once they get compromising info. (Spy craft that all sides exploit.) ^5^ Giuliani needed money, even then, for his lawyer(s) and his first divorce settlement. These do not prove anything, but I find nothing that doesn't raise more suspicions, either.

[–] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Wow. He was considered courageous for this at the time. TIL.

[–] detalferous@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suspect this is exactly what's going on.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

you know what they used to say in those days? they said "follow da money".. lol

[–] Techmaster@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

before Rudi was mayor

When he was just a Huxtable

[–] Techmaster@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

I can't wait to find out that Trump and all his co-conspirators were all involved in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I just have this feeling that they have been involved in planning the whole thing all along, and the plan was for Trump to win a second term so he could allow it to happen or even deploy our military to help Russia. He was literally impeached for extorting Zelenakyy.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Shitcunt traitor republican. Like 99% of them.

[–] FoundTheVegan@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

In a headline that isn't surprising, I find the most suprsing-thats-not-suprising thing is...

paid locals to spray-paint swastikas around Kharkiv in the weeks before Russia’s invasion. Buma says Fuks did so to bolster Vladmir Putin’s claim that the invasion aimed to achieve the “de-Nazification of Ukraine.”

[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

Now, for some quotes not included in the post above:

Ukraine has sanctioned Fuks, and it is reportedly investigating him for fraud and tax evasion. Fuks now lives in London, according to recent media reports.

Nice!

In his statement, Buma says that he developed suspicions that Giuliani, through his relationship with Fuks, was “compromised by the RIS,” meaning the Russian Intelligence Services. That is a striking claim—an allegation that Russian spies may have obtained influence over a top adviser to the US president.

But I guess we all suspected as much. It's still shocking to see it.

Buma reveals in his statement that he also probed whether Russian operatives or assets were involved in a 2020 Giuliani effort to make a film about Hunter Biden’s business activities in Ukraine and elsewhere.

Oh, no. Let's find out how that went, shall we?

The anti-Biden film was to include commentary from Konstantin Kulyk, a former Ukrainian prosecutor who Treasury sanctioned in 2021 for working with Derkach to spread “fraudulent and unsubstantiated allegations” about Biden. That is, this project was to feature information from sources who the US government later deemed were connected to a disinformation campaign linked to Russian intelligence.

D'oh!

Giuliani played a key role in trying to line up investors for the movie.

Hehe

The investors Giuliani did help find were two brothers, David and Kable Munger, who own a large blueberry producing company in California and have donated generously to GOP candidates.

Ok, so they got funding.

The movie never came close to being made, and people involved in the endeavor told Mother Jones the project was disorganized and incompetently managed.

I can laugh my rear off, but really, I shouldn't be surprised. What a clown show - MAGAs shivving MAGAs:

The Mungers recently sued two GOP activists involved in producing the film, Tim Yale and George Dickson, along with a company they formed. Giuliani was not named as a defendant in the suit.

The Mungers say that Giuliani helped persuade them to invest $1 million by saying that they would receive a share of the film’s profits. The brothers also claim that Yale and Dickson told them the movie would be “more profitable than Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11.”

Oh, really? They were going to out-do Mr. Moore?

Giuliani, Dickson, and Yale also said, according to the Mungers’ lawsuit, that they possessed “smoking guns” revealing Joe Biden was corrupt.

Smoking guns, folks, smoking guns!

Giuliani and his colleagues possessed no such material. The Mungers allege that Dickson and Yale stole their investment.

Ruh-oh! There was no smoking gun - not even one.

Giuliani, according to the lawsuit, was paid $300,000 for his participation in the film project. A lawyer and a spokesperson for Giuliani did not respond to requests for comment.

Of course not.

The icing on the cake for me, if I may say, is the following paragraph:

Buma’s revelations may only be the start. A source familiar with his work tells Mother Jones that other potential FBI whistleblowers who participated in the investigation involving Giuliani have consulted the same lawyer as Buma and might meet with congressional investigators in coming weeks. That attorney, Scott Horton, declined to comment.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember when little donnie, the lying liars networks, the Republicans, the "centrists", a whole lot of the "liberal media" (lol) and even some supposed leftists were gaslighting and proclaiming that the Russia thing was a "hoax"?

How long will they keep that up, by the way?

[–] CryptoRoberto@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

There was so much evidence. I really didn't get the amount of denial. Trumps been linked to Russia for decades in his business dealings.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would they stop? Just last week a user here who has his own sub (filled with Russian propaganda videos) commented on the "Russia hoax." Of course this idiot knows nothing and doesn't care about the reality of it, just like all of his room temperature IQ friends.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

They call it a hoax because, like any conspiracy theorist, they deem that any evidence against their theory is faked or part of the conspiracy. If the conspiracy is "we never landed on the moon," then any evidence showing that we did was "planted by NASA to fool the gullible."

In the case of Trump's Russia connections, the conspiracy theorists (who claim that it's all a hoax), simply label any evidence as "part of the Deep State hoax." Once that evidence is explained away like so, they can continue to believe that there's no evidence and it's all a hoax.

At this point, Trump could appear on TV with Putin himself and admit to working with Russia to undermine the US and a significant number of right wingers would declare that video faked. Another portion would declare it true, but somehow come to the conclusion that this is actually helping America and that Trump is really playing 12D chess to outmaneuver Putin.

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Rudy Colludy

[–] LiquidMastering@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

What city in a foreign country would hire Ghouliani to provide ideas for “updating security”? That seems like the dumbest excuse for a payoff ever.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Is this suprising to anyone? Its clear as day a lot of the GOP is compromised by Russian interests.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Literally nobody is surprised about this after the Trump presidency. And people who know a little more seem to think he cleaned out the Italian mob only to hand NYC over to the Russian Mafia. Hmmm.

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I’m so shocked because most republicans are so law abiding and definitely not involved with like 50 felonies!

[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

America's mayor and Russia's puppet.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Back in the 80s. Rudy cleared out the American mob to make way for his Russian mob associates.

[–] CapgrasDelusion@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Next up on "No Shit"

[–] Fhek@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Giuliani is a Russian stooge. What a surprise.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Now do Trump.

[–] Ejh3k@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It's always amazing the greed of this group. I could never afford it, but 300k seems like fucking nothing, to either party. So why do it? Tell them to add a couple zeros, do the bare minimum and disappear into obscurity. The absolute narcissism with this lot, incredible.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It's been how long since he deliberately took on the Italian mob in New York so that the Russian mob could take over, and they're just discovering his connections now? Pathetic.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This explains why little donnie's goons want to dismantle the government if they are permitted back into office. People like donnie's goons will be able to get away with stuff like this with zero free reign for the "deep state" (lol) to have any independent investigation, whistleblowing, etc...

[–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

What a surprise! Said no one with a brain