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Russia's nationalists are fuming over a slew of attacks on Russian territory which exposed gaps in its defenses and put it on the back foot in its invasion of Ukraine.

The prominent anonymous blogger Rybar said a recent strike on Russia's Pskov airfield suggests Russia's air defenses haven't adapted to stop drone strikes. It criticized authorities for not protecting the valuable aircraft there with hangars, and compared their defenses unfavorably to those in Russian-occupied Crimea, closer to the fighter.

The Russian journalist Alexander Kots said that recent attacks showed there would be no safe place in the parts of Russia that are close to Europe, and that Russia would need to adapt.

Another blogger said that Russia's airfields should be better protected, and another said Russia should admit the attacks as soon as they happen, rather than be forced into acknowledging them after Ukrainian sources report them.

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[–] Styxie@feddit.nl 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of them seem to understand that Russia can stop these attacks at any time by leaving Ukrainian territory.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're trying to reason with a bunch of ultra nationalists, alcoholics, and drug addicts.

That's not happening.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I'll take an alcoholic or a drug addict over an ultranationalist.

[–] dharwin@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ultra nationalists, alcoholics, and drug addicts

But you repeat yourself.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago

As a former drug addict I resent being compared to any kind of nationalist.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Man, it must suck to be a nationalist for such an embarrassingly inept nation.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

The one "benefit" of authoritarian governments is that they always purge the most competent people in a race to the bottom.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

And yet, they keep going. We're still kind of in alpha release as a species.

[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

Well, the great silver lining of being a nationalist is that it's always someone else's fault when something doesn't go your way. There's always an "other" to blame.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Just wait till they get the F-16s & make all the Russian air defenses within range of Ukraine go POOF.

You bearfuckers just think you've seen drone strikes.

Cope & seethe, fash. You're welcome to leave at any time.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[–] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not convinced that its as simple as that, there was an article about a Ukrainian general or some high level commander who mentioned that they need at least 100 aircraft to get air superiority. I image in reality they need alot more as there likely to be losses (orcs are likely keeping some long range missiles in reserve to whack at Ukrainian airfields after f16s arrive), but also they need correct ammunition.. loads of ammunition.

We should have gone into ammunition production overdrive as soon as it became clear that there was an attack plan brewing instead of waiting until the attack actually happens. And i refuse to believe that US did not know well in advance. Eu just sat there twiddling their thumbs instead of doing something productive about it. Shame on us.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

And i refuse to believe that US did not know well in advance.

How "well" are we talking? A few months, sure, but further back it's pretty easy as an autocrat to just not tell people what you're planning, and the West appears to have fundamentally misread Putin's motives to start with.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm hopeful with the f16. As far as I understand it, they would increase the range at which Ukraine can destroy Russian aircrafts, range that they are severely lacking to support their offensive right now. Obviously the more the better, but even a few could make a huge difference in this case.

You're right about the missiles and bombs though. Ultimately this is what they will need in large quantities.

As for acting before the war, everyone thought Ukraine would collapse in two weeks at best. Ukraine won its support the hard way.

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed. And also, some prominent people still worry about Russian "red lines" and nukes. Perhaps rightly so, I am not an expert. By ramping up support over time we tread those red lines carefully to see if they actually mean anything. There's also probably an element of "boiling the frog" going on, too.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with that. IMO treading this line is a matter or making Russia slowly accept its defeat. Acceptance is a process that takes time, both psychologically and for the government to prepare for it. Going too fast might scare the idiots on charge and risk them pushing the big red button if they feel like they have nothing else to lose.

[–] Newstart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s very true. It sad the Russian’s slow acceptance is so costly in lives and so destructive for Ukraine. But unfortunately, this is a war between 2 countries so resolve it cannot be a sprint, it is a marathon. We’ve witnessed war between countries and insurgents that resolved quickly, but that’s not the same case. Western countries made it clear they’re on it for the long time with Ukraine. So sooner hopefully not later Russia will realize it is not sustainable to continue the war. Hopefully if Biden loses the next US president would continue the same support for Ukraine. Some experts think this is Putin last play. Trying to hold on as many captured territories as possible until the next US presidency for bargaining chips.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I believe the next US elections will be a big milestone for the war indeed. But before that Ukraine can achieve big progresses too.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Huh? I wasn't under the impression that F-16s were immune to anti-air.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Nothing is completely immune to AA, but F-16's excel at SEAD missions & that will allow the existing Ukrainian AF to use their MIGs more effectively.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proud patriots yell about frontline from home toilet (assuming they have one)

[–] JBloodthorn@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Only the finest porcelain ~~stolen~~ imported from Ukraine.

[–] XYZinferno@lemmy.basedcount.com 10 points 1 year ago

On one hand, my interests and values couldn't diverge from that of Russian nationalists any further

On the other hand, I love me some infighting among the Russians; the less they're on the same page, the better

[–] thelsim@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Russian hardliners are fuming that the Kremlin wasn't able to top a string of embarrassing attacks on home soil

I know it's just a spelling error, but it seems appropriate somehow :)

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Russia's nationalists are fuming over a slew of attacks on Russian territory which exposed gaps in its defenses and put it on the back foot in its invasion of Ukraine.

The blowback was picked up by the respected Institute for the Study of War think tank, which described it in an update on Wednesday.

It criticized authorities for not protecting the valuable aircraft there with hangars, and compared their defenses unfavorably to those in Russian-occupied Crimea, closer to the fighter.

They typically agree with the aims of the war, but voice frustration at Russia's inability to defeat Ukraine more quickly.

Their anger was prompted by an increasing number of drone attacks, likely organized by Ukraine or Ukraine-affiliated groups.

And some of these strikes have destroyed and damaged Russian military aircraft sitting on home soil.


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[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I’m guessing that some Russian bloggers may lose their balance when near windows.