The people responsible don’t care. They will be perfectly fine letting the rest of us die. They’ll only start giving a shit once cheap labor starts getting hard to come by.
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This rule is actually "an order of magnitude best estimate", which means it's more of a range, somewhere between 0.1 to 10 deaths per 1000 tons of carbon burned.
That leaves a lot of room for scenarios even more dire than the one outlined here.
"When climate scientists run their models and then report on them, everybody leans toward being conservative, because no one wants to sound like Doctor Doom," explains Pierce.
"We've done that here too and it still doesn't look good."
Translation: 10 billion people will die.
2nd translation: Almost everyone will die.
So what you're saying is... we are going to enter a dark age... and we could use a Foundation to lessen it's impact on humanity?
Pretty sure I'm gonna be fine.
Or two?
My wild ass guess is humanity will eventually die back to, at best, bronze age population levels.
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It's OK, they're just billion poorest people.
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You joke, but that is how a lot of people feel about it.
Yeah. That's the sad part. I think most people sort of accidentally think that, without really critically thinking about it.
The people who will suffer most area already invisible to most others.
In NZ we're trying to reduce carbon emissions in farming to the cries of farmers "but you're killing our jobs" neglecting that they're indirectly killing actual people.
In Europe over 60,000 people died in 2022 due to heatwaves.
People are blind to these deaths because they're not being taken out by a single devastating event, but rather a series of small events the people brush off as "they were going to die anyway".
It's one of the reasons I've not, and will not have children. This is getting exponentially worse and I couldn't image the horror that our future will face.
... meanwhile we're compensating people who built $10m houses on cliff tops, who then cut down the trees securing the cliff edge, and are now finding out that cliffs erode, and their houses are failing into the sea.
... we're exempting farmers from paying the actual costs of their carbon emissions while they pollute or water ways with reckless abandon. It's only the poor fuckers down stream who'll get sick and die.
... While we still argue if old and sick people should die of COVID so that fashion shops can still hock their tat manufactured halfway around the world and shipped here on ships that burn the shittiest fuel available.
I have had kids, and lament the world I'm giving to them.
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This article is bogus. It doesn't even mention the power or thoughts and prayers once!
There are some real disgusting people here. Anyone who thinks that the solution to climate change is to kill a lot of humans should consider going first.
Yeah. The problem is how we use our resources.
Anyone who thinks we're overpopulated immediately gets written off as an idiot in my mind. They just don't know the world they were born into.
Lol the top comment after this is "me first"
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I wish I could be an optimist, too.
Nature knows how to solve this problem.
This issue is that nature is going to start with the people who contribute the least to the issue.
If only the people contributing the most could actually feel the pressure.
And those who contribute the least to this issue are also likely the ones who want it fixed the most.
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By resetting earth. I wonder what species will wander the lands and waters in millions of years...
I hope bird people rise up. It'd be neat.
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It only took 250 years since the industrial revolution to utterly doom our world.
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Is the earth is getting a fever to kill the viruses that are infecting it?
It is is
Calling people viruses is probably not the best way to go about it. It's the way we're doing economy at a global scale, not inherent to us as a species.
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Me first.
Get in line.
"1 billion people on track to die"... I guess we're doing an empirical test of the trolley problem.
We have a choice between inconveniencing some people (especially some very rich people); vs saving billions of lives by switching tracks. And apparently the empirical choice is to equivocate and delay so that we stay on the path of death and ruin. ... It isn't the solution I would have chosen personally.
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There is quite a lot of extra discussion regarding the 1000-ton rule in the artual report itself (link can ne found in the article). Here are some excerpts:
it is likely more than 300 million (“likely best case”) and less than 3 billion (“likely worst case”) will die as a result of AGW of 2 °C.
A more recent attempt at quantifying future deaths in connection with specific amounts of carbon was published by Bressler [69]. Coining an economically oriented term “mortality cost of carbon”, he claimed that “for every 4434 metric tons of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere beyond the 2020 rate of emissions, one person globally will die prematurely from the increased temperature”. His predictions were confined to deaths from extreme heat when wet-bulb temperature exceeds skin temperature (35 °C).
Some interesting stuff in there.
I would've added more but holy shit the mdpi.com mobile website is atrocious to copy stuff from. It keeps throwing me at the end of the entire article, highlighting everything.
It is so funny how stuiped people are as they can't see they are the reason. In China they need to wear masks due to the pollution makes the air unbreathable. They also burn coal to get electricity to run AC, especial now with the heat weaves.
"people" You and me are not the reason. We are stuck in a system created by the rich to exploit us. And like most parasites they are going to keep taking and polluting until there is nothing left.
And with your help we can make sure that that number includes those that need to die.
Fantastic! I want to die!
odds are greater you'll just have to live and suffer through the heatwaves, droughts, freezes and cyclones instead, not to mention the super fun collapse of society
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