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LGBTQ+ isn't optimal (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago by loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works to c/showerthoughts@kbin.social

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I'm sorry if it's not my olace to say this, qnd I don't wish to offend anyone, but lesbians are gay, right? Maybe "gay" has once meant only "homesexual men", but now many lesbians call themselves "gay" so having both the "l" anf the "g" seems redundant. In fact, an even broader definition of "gay" may even encompass bisexuals, so gtq+ seems sufficient. But the word "queer" is also used as an ulbrella term for all lgbtq+ identities, so really, q+ seems like would suffice. Or if it has to be lgbt, they could at least switch the "b" and the "t" so that it can also mean "Let's Get This Bread".

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[–] wolfshadowheart@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

It has to to with the history. The queer community hasn't always been as connected as it is today, and with identity being connected to these terms it's more unifying to be inclusive for gay men and lesbian women, two historically separate communities doing separate acts of activism existing in tandem.

It's LGBTQIA+ because it encompasses each subset of whatever that person feels they fit into. Someone who is intersex isn't inherently gay. Someone who is asexual isn't gay at all. Someone who is questioning doesn't know what gay they may be if they are at all.

Q+ would just be queer+ which doesn't necessarily dignify the history and its significance in how queer people are more accepted in society because of the riots and protests.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans people all fought and died so that younger queers could stand a chance at being accepted for who they are today. It seems only right to continue to honor that despite something as petty as it being "unoptimal".

[–] ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I've started just using the term queer as an umbrella term. Some of the older people in the community don't love that term because they lived in a time when it was considered a slur, but it's pretty rare. It's just really convenient because it includes everyone under one simple term.

Also, yes, I have noticed a lot of lesbians have started referring to themselves as gay. It's all evolving, and I agree that queer is better than continually adding letters. to LGBTQIA2S+.

[–] Millie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Queer rolls off the tongue a lot better than LGBT. Though I have heard it pronounced like 'el gibbity' and I fully approve.

[–] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

GSRM. Gender, sexual, romanic minority. Concise and inclusive.

[–] Trekman10@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m sorry if it’s not my place to say this, and I don’t wish to offend anyone,

Coulda picked a better headline then.

But for real though it's all a social construct anyway, and the definitions and perceptions will change. I think right now there's not a lot of agreement when it comes to individual identities, but most people will know what LGBTQ+ means as opposed to "GPT" for Gay, Pan, and Trans, which I just made up now.