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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’::"I don't think I would have believed it."

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[–] OhFudgeBars@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

How much does it cost to repair a fender bender on a Suburban? Cus on an R1S, well...

[–] haych@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My last car purchase was £8650 for a 1L petrol from 2016. And I bought it this year.

If he could direct me to the nearest electric car of the same price and range I'd be happy to buy one, until then it's a stupid comment and ICE are going to be here for a LONG time, purely because not everyone can afford expensive vehicles.

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That amount will get you into a Renault Zoe or Nissan Leaf without much shopping around. Both would be three years younger, be considerably faster, and have a 40kwh battery so a practical range of about 160 miles between charges. Cheapest Zoes and Leafs are listed at about £5k now (but have the smaller battery)and most will take less than listed to get rid as there is a glut of them due to the second hand market being over valued. Zoes before 2021 will likely come with a battery lease, which starts at £50 a month, Leafs do not.

I actually think the battery lease makes more sense on an older electric car as Renault have to replace the battery for free once the capacity gets under 75% available capacity. Most battery warranties on the other hand expire after a fixed period, which a lot of people will now be butting up aginst if they are purchasing the early examples, and the percentage available capacity for a free replacement is often 60%, much harder to hit.

So it can be done in the UK, and even makes sense assuming you can charge at home as home charging works out considerably cheaper than ICE. It costs 9p a kwh to charge overnight so 160 actual miles of range costs less than £4, good luck finding any ICE car that can match that.

As you can charge overnight then you can charge every night, so your practical daily range is 160 miles. If you are genuinely doing more than 160 miles a day I really question the choice of a 1l car to do that. If you are doing 160 miles in a single journey then charging on route will still work out cheaper when spread out over total cost of ownership.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Electric vehicles are the future of cars, but it will mean an entire extra class of people who will be cut off from car ownership.

And they're not going to like it.

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[–] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

ALL of the off-roaders who have gone electric that I know have a gas-powered generator they throw in the back for when we're 200km up a logging road.

[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't drive a lot any more now that I work from home...but if I purchased an electric vehicle, the batteries (arguably one of the most expensive components of the vehicle) are slowly degrading whether I drive it or not, and I would either have to throw away the whole car or replace the extremely expensive batteries as early as 10 years (assuming the company who built it still exists). If I buy a gas-powered car instead, there is not a significant expensive component on it that starts totally degrading over time whether I used it or not...except the 12v battery under the hood that I have to replace every 5 to 7 years.

That Rivian CEO is suffering from affluenza and seems to think people are made of money.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

It's called a stable. And if you keep horses then yes you need to build one.

[–] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The value add for an individual is minimal to nonexistent in electric vs gas. Not so with a horse vs a car. This guy is delusional if this isn't just hype (it is) and thinks the comparisons are comparable.

[–] mayonaise_met@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Meanwhile gas starts at $8.34 per gallon where I live, while I can charge my car for $0.42 per kWh.

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[–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This guy's a fucking airhead. They're trying to rush out the cheaper smaller SUV model because they massively overestimated demand for their overpriced truck/SUV. It's 80k base and by the time you get the AWD and increased range package I imagine everyone who is their target market wants it well over $110k.

This will probably be the last big EV startup we see. After this the real caranufacters are going to take over. Which I'm a bit sad about as they don't seem to ever take any risks. I'd been saying for years there was surely demand for a small truck like the maverick, now everyone's making one. Just wish Elon wasn't so dumb and had made the cyber truck that with a electric drivetrain.

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