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[–] deconstruct@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

Actual Op-ed title

Like It or Not, America Needs Chinese Scientists

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Conducting research in China is harder than it has been in years because of an increased emphasis there on ideology and national security, an ever-widening scope of topics deemed sensitive, decreasing academic freedom and, until they were ended last December, the smothering effect of nearly three years of zero-Covid policies.

"Smothering" is not the word I'd want to use if I were a Yankee criticising China's covid response. Everything there is ironically what has been happening in the USA and one of the main causes of their new brain drain. Why would somebody pay tuition fees, go through their racist immigration process and receive a low wage that doesn't allow for a healthy life or even rent in order to go do study there, only to be a second class citizen?

Once their net migration drops enough they'll be facing a full on population decline. Can't wait.

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

That's why student loans are never gonna be forgiven - it's their method of trapping people in the country. There's no doubt that brain drain would be drastically higher if college grads could afford to leave

[–] leo_da_vinci@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's so toxic how they always talk about efforts to keep America the best this or the best that. They talk as if for them the priority is to do everything (even moraly wrong things) to make America be the best at everything, being human progress only a byproduct of this competition. They also talk as if America be the best at everything is necessary for the world to be "right"; as if this is something inherently good.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

It makes sense when your ideology is that it's not just morally permissible but morally good to participate in "competition" to decide who is an isn't immiserated.

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)
[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Too little, too late fuckers. You should’ve stopped being racist fuckheads years ago, screaming about them spying as your other halves at the FBI racially profile researchers and harass them into leaving.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

for a newspaper that says it wants to keep Chinese people here that's a hell of a yellow peril illustration. they'd be a lot better off if they kept it simple and depicted the Chinese researcher as the gigachad and the American security agencies as the soy wojak

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Or just didn't have a beaker full of eyeballs like they were recruiting from Unit 731 again

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

From the NYT:

I’ve heard enough to believe that some Chinese students in America may be reporting what happens in class to agents in China and that some Chinese scholars may have undisclosed agreements to relay what they have learned back home.

Meanwhile:

Literally just vibes based analysis and beliefs. If you “feel” like there are Chinese spies, then it’s safe to believe that there are Chinese spies

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unrelated, but I'm curious about how they got that picture of those two. Did he already have the picture ready and just gave it to the writer? Or did they meet up for a photoshoot? If it's the latter, I'd sure as fuck wouldn't agree to being taken out to an empty field "for a picture" given the charges.

[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

They call it a photoshoot for a reason 👀

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

that cover pic is incredible

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago

They also need Chinese artists as well apparently, what's with that picture?

[–] CyberGhost@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Yep, because China actually invest on their people!

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is why I don’t give a shit about Ivy League schools discriminating against students in affirmative action cases. These types of articles are always written by the alumni of demonic nepotistic universities. The number of graduates who actually do good in this world are so minuscule that it’s not worth getting mad about. Ivy League students and students of other elite schools deserve to be discriminated no matter what the fuck background they are because they will end up writing garbage like this, if they haven’t went in to build bombs and suck Kissinger’s feet already.

Also I remember reading somewhere that mandarin is incredibly difficult to learn for English speakers, and the military and intelligence community have a shortage of fluent people who can teach others or translate.

[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's plenty of Chinese Americans who speak Mandarin fluently. The problem is that the intelligence community doesn't want to hire them due to sinophobia. They want someone who is an adult, has a history of hating China, yet is devoted enough to learn the language through years of study. Unsurprisingly, there aren't many.

[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

There are many Chinese immigrants/Chinese Americans who hate China. But in my experience, the US doesn’t trust immigrants unless it’s a Vietnam/Cuba type situation, but Chinese people haven’t been elevated to the level of prestige compared to Cuban and Vietnamese dissidents

[–] CyberGhost@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, is that a website to access any website without that pay wall?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

indeed it is