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Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined

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[–] coffee@lemm.ee 200 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] MentalEdge@ani.social 136 points 2 years ago (17 children)

TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.

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[–] AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id 112 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Amazing how this company is so successful knowing they're just scamming their clients

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[–] bookmeat@lemm.ee 85 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.

[–] Michal@programming.dev 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.

If they are going to improve transfer speeds it's not going to happen in the same iteration they're being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:

  1. They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
  2. They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year's Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.

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[–] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 74 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

How do apple fan boys keeps eating this shit-sandwich year after year?

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[–] TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 71 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes, I can't wait for them to launch the newest innovative tech of Type C for iPhone, which will offer more speed and better compatibility cause they are the good guys who swear they would protect your data and keep an eye on your photos too.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago

I have family who actually believes all of what you just said. The tribalism can get a bit much.

[–] DrRatso@lemmy.world 71 points 2 years ago (9 children)

ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.

[–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 92 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation

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[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they're a trillion dollar company. They'll manage, this is 100% by choice

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 years ago

On a thousand dollar phone

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[–] nathris@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 years ago

The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.

I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 66 points 2 years ago (9 children)

They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.

Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren't dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.

You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: "The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price."

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 years ago

In other news: company with long history of selling over-priced, under featured products to aspirational nitwits does it again!

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 years ago (7 children)

ITT: people who don't realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0

[–] bizzle@midwest.social 47 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it's a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn't want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn't cool.

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[–] aleph@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

This is irrelevant.

We're talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.

The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

There's a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

So, worse than a Galaxy S5. Got it.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Well, charger cables are usually at USB 2.0 speed because USB-PD works the same, but signal integrity doesn't matter as much, so you can make a longer, more flexible cable without using in-cable shielding...

So this is misleading, since the included cable coming in 2.0 speed (missing pins) absolutely does not mean that the iPhone USB-C port will only support 2.0.

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non "Pro" models).

Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they've gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don't laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.

If you want a new iPhone this fall and you're looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I'd recommend looking for previous year's "Pro" model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it's essentially better in almost every way.

And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.

There's a line between "enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else" but like this is just disrespectful.

But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want

(3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it'll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago

but like this is just disrespectful.

The word you’re looking for is “anti-consumer”

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Then they’re not standards compliant and they can’t claim to have usb-c on their phones. I wonder how that will work out for them?

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

USB-C is the physical form. Does it actually dictate USB3?

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Why?

Not that I use the junk this company ships to stores but a part of me would like to hear the meeting where someone proposed this and the rationale to support it.

[–] notatoad@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

nothing about using a USB-C cable inherently means it has to support USB3.

framing it as "limits it to USB 3 Speeds" is misleading. iPhone has only ever supported USB 2, all they're doing here is continuing to not upgrade to USB 3. the meeting where somebody proposed it went like this:

hey, should we put a USB 3 chip in the new iPhone? nah, let's just keep using the same one as the last generation

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[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To the surprise of no one. However, EU is already on top of this. After this law was enacted they realized just how scummy Apple is, not sure how they managed to miss that especially considering they have to fine them and threaten with market ban if they didn't uphold 2 year mandatory warranty consumer protection laws in EU guarantee.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

On top of what exactly? The EU law doesn't mandate certain transfer speeds.

The only thing mandated is a USB-C port to charge the device, and afaik that the fastest charging speed needs to be obtainable via USB-PD. The latter was always the case with iPhones, even though the port was different. Other manufacturers are actually way worse offenders when it comes to charging protocols, but Apple it obviously the worst offender when it comes to charging ports.

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[–] egeres@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm confused, is this a strategy meant to persuade people to keep using the lightning cable bullshit?

[–] raptir@lemm.ee 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Little bit of a strange article.

First, it's about data transfer speeds. I don't think... anyone else in my extended family, and certainly none of the iPhone users, use a cable to transfer data frequently.

But more importantly - the subtitle of the article says that only the pro models offer faster charging speeds. Despite the article being exclusively about data transfer speeds.

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[–] LethalSmack@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It really should be 3.0 speeds but its not any slower than the lightning cable so it’s pretty much the same. Just a universal charging port instead of an iPhone specific one.

“ the company will limit the transfer speeds on the base model iPhones to just 480Mb/s, the same as Lightning and USB 2.0.”

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Apple y u gotta be like dis

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Apple's propriety Lightning cable may offer cross-device compatibility

I may need to see the math on this. I thought the only devices it worked across were ones apple decided it would within its own offerings, specifically after renting on its decision to NOT let them.

It's less "hands across America" and more "stop hitting yourself" while still not playing nice with others.

Please show me where I'm wrong.

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