44% of PROFITS, not gross income.
Which means that even if companies were actually charged for the mess they made, they would be operating in the black AND their profits would still be 66% of normal.
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I'll be that guy.. 56% of normal
Oh look here everyone, it's the math guy!
Probably got some fancy education like primary school.
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So, they'd still be wildly profitable, then?
Huh.
'Wildly profitable' would not be enough to them.
'Extremely profitable' would not be enough to them.
'Insanely profitable' would not be enough to them.
Infinite growth is one hell of a drug.
See also: any other form of cancer.
Infinite growth, until you kill your host. In this case the host is the whole human population.
Honestly, the whole world.
Will it recover? Maybe. Life is resilient.
But we've already presided over a pretty quick mass extinction that is still ongoing.
Life on earth has recovered from several mass extinctions, life finds a way. Humans are cooked though. Best of luck to the next sapient species to evolve.
Capitalism and infinite growth is a microcosm of an organisms drive for infinite growth, which is usually curtailed by all sorts of biological and evolutionsry processes. Like space limitations and scarcity of resources, and I'm trying to figure out what is different between the individuals that form these mega corps and the average organism.
I dunno. Is this a stupid train of thought?
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The only time infinite growth would be possible is if we became a space faring species and colonized other planets. That would allow us to continue population growth.
Outside of that, infinite growth is impossible since there’s only so many people on this planet and even less who can afford their products.
Yeah it really drives home just how fucking cooked the situation is.
Sorry kids the biosphere is fucked and human society is an echo of what it once was but there were some rich people who didn't want to be slightly less rich than they already were.
Huh that's very reasonable actually. Generous even. Now let's see what they can pay workers.
As little as they can get away with.
Yeah, I was thinking… only of their profits? So they can afford to still make a shitload of money and not put out all that pollution?
I mean this is paying for damages, not fixing the pollution
I’d like to see a calculation for that. It seems expenses to be more careful would be comparable, but who knows.
So, 44% of their profits are in fact 100% of our futures? That money didn't come from nowhere. All of us will pay that debt. Reporting needs to start reflecting that, and legislation needs to be enacted to get restitution. Until then, it's all toothless.
Sounds like a win win
Boo fuckin' hoo. Pay up, shitbags.
So what are we waiting for? Fuck em
So 44% of corporate profits are subsidized by the fact they don’t have to pay for waste disposal.
So in other words, they can afford to pay damages for it. Make them pay!
Oh no, not 44% of the extra money that goes into the pockets of already obscenely wealthy people
Yes please!
And what if everyone were honest about what these "damages" should be?
Even this fantasy scenario of consequences is an incredibly low-balled Cost of Doing Business of murder.
Narrator: ... and so they never did and also got away with it.
Even with the fine, their huge profits hardly change. This shows that the penalty isn't enough to discourage pollution. Stronger actions are necessary to make companies responsible.
So it means we could start saving the world if corporations let go of less than half of their profits?
Oh shit what will I do if a couple ceos don't get paid hundreds of millions of dollars?? Won't someone think of the billionaires and their profit margins???
Lol every single cent of profit above 250 million should be taken from them and that's being generous
Who gets paid the damages? Countries that will just keep subsidising these industries to the detriment of everyone?
Fossil fuels are the main actors in this. Corporations can only use the energy we provide them with.
Fossil fuel producers will never pay damages for climate change due to political donations. You may get the odd instance now and again, where there is selective scapegoating and that will be that. The tobacco industry (AFAIK) has never paid for the damages they have caused. They poured billions into politics and offset the argument against them for decades. Fossil fuel companies are doing exactly the same thing.
So rather than finger point towards specific actors, we should be sorting our political systems out. Political donations need to be banned. Campaigns should only be allowed to run through a single channel that is funded by the country. All other types of political advertising should be stopped. It is well known that the most successful campaigns have a price tag attached. Therefore it is easy to buy votes with campaigns. Moreso in a FPTP system. While we allow political donations we will never stop egregious profiteering without consequences.
People need to make a conscious effort to buy less shit. It's easy to blame corpos but we create that demand.
If it doesn't solve a problem you have, you don't need it.
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ExxonMobil: Accused of knowing about climate change as early as the 1970s but funding climate change denial for years. Chevron, BP, Shell: All have faced criticism for their contributions to global CO2 emissions.
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They would still be insanely wealthy, even with 44% less profit.
Here's a simple idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polluter_pays_principle
Speaking from experience, it can also make teens more responsible with alcohol if they know who will have to clean up in case of overdoing.
But don't forget, the climate crisis is a hoax, but if it isn't then it's your fault for not recycling hard enough
Stupidly click baity title. The only corporation that does not pollute is the one that doesn't produce anything. Sure, regulations such as carbon taxes are necessary to contain negative externalities, but if there's a demand for cheap products there will be a lowest bidder that will take all market share.
Lowering our consumption is unfortunately the way to make those companies pollute less.
People don't want to hear about their personal responsibility to consume less, but it's true. Corporations aren't run by Captain Planet villains polluting for the same of pollution. They sell what people buy.
The sentiment here is good, but be careful not to fall into the "personal responsibility" trap that the fossil fuel and soda industry established back in the late 80s/early 90s. The sad truth is that personal responsibility in solving climate change is wishful thinking. The carbon footprint of all of the major corporations is so many orders of magnitude larger than any plausible percentage of individuals who do their part by being as environmentally conscious as possible that it doesn't matter unless we regulate them and to do that we have to redefine the laws of campaign financing and abolish Corporate Personhood aka, Citizen's United for a start.
It's pretty bleak. Source: was going to be an Enviornmental Scientist and I decided that was too depressing and life it too short.
In Spain you can buy 20 single bit sized croissants individually wrapped in plastic and wholey wrapped again. I'd like to think this was an isolated incident but the general census is this is what every one of those cunts does because it's cheaper and easier.
Sure consumers buy... But the producers bear the responsibility. There's only so much boycotting small groups can do. Others will still buy. The mentality of wrapping every fucking thing in plastic is what need to change.
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