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[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago (10 children)

That's insane. I have the same Bose over-the-ear (I can't stand in-ear) headphones for years. They have been to the gym with me, jogging, and just existing in a humid, Tokyo summer for the last 5.5 years and have zero electronic issues. I did replace the exterior cushiony bit twice now, but the actual electronics are fine.

[–] N1cknamed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I own a pair of QC35II's as well, I'll wear them in everything but the heaviest rain. Completely fine for 4 years now. Replaced the earmuffs once.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They cost $550, but they're certainly not worth $550

Stop buying logos people

[–] EliasChao@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago

Funnily enough, I don’t think there are any visible Apple logos in the AirPods Max.

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[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this another "your holding it wrong" level argument they're making?

[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I have a lot of apple kit - I appreciate their over-engineered approach to a lot of hardware, and I like their approach to privacy.

But they do make mistakes in design - the puck, the aerials, butterfly keyboards, unrepairability of design…

And one thing I really hate is their response to those errors. Its almost always to blame the user. I just wish they would be honest.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There's nothing over-engineered in Apple products. They are the least amount of effort and maximum amount of polish to dazzle the masses so people think price is justified and give feeling of quality.

Throughout the history they have failed to fix common and known issues in generations of laptops. They chose cheaper version of aluminium which caused the bending of the phones. They reduced cost of manufacturing by removing a single drop of glue beneath a single chip which resulted in number of their plus sized phones to lose touch functionality.

Over-engineering would mean devices are robust, easy to repair and almost never need a repair. Apple is anything but that and their solution is usually to suggest buying a new device or charge you like you are buying a new device. All you need to do is see Louis' video on repeated engineering failures from Apple. Granted it's an old video, but if you watch the video you will see Apple doesn't really improve quality, just reduce price.

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[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think their engineering is pretty good, personally. I travelled a lot with a laptop from 2000 to about 2020, and my windows laptops would always die after 2 years - hinges, cracks in the body, screen cracks and so on. Moving to apple’s laptops in about 2011 meant I got 5 years out of each (air then a pro). I’m now on a second pro, but the old pro is still trucking along.

I’m not going to defend all their decisions, there’s a lot of questionable stuff in there (keyboards, sticking to lightening, mice…). But their hardware, both laptop, mini and pro) has been solid.

You are right about repairability. I think that has never been a key feature for them hence the glue, security screws and other crap. Fortunately there are governments around the world that are pushing for repairability, consistency with usb-c, replaceable batteries and more. So I think all manufacturers will be upping their game now, which is awesome.

All manufacturers reduce cost - supply chain management and manufacturability are the processes to drive that. Apple are really good at the supply chain side, that was Tim Cook’s focus as COO. What I don’t like is that they are able to keep their incredibly high margins (far higher than any other manufacturer) thanks to their software, interoperability and walled garden.

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[–] _bug0ut@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

mistakes in design... unrepairability

Who... Who's gonna tell em?

I am quite sure this is a legal issue. If they admit the mistake, probably customers in many countries would be allowed a free replacement or refund. And then shareholders would sue the company because it is mandatory to work on maximising profit.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On repairability of design is not a mistake it's a feature.

[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Repairability has just never been a high priority for them (which is bad). But it is becoming so, thanks to various governments forcing the issue.

[–] MustrumR@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Unrepairability isn't a mistake. It's a feature (for Apple).

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

No doubt. I'm not an Apple fan, but I do respect most of their engineering/designs. And it's too bad that all companies were more honest.

[–] moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And my dollar store earbuds have gone through the wash three times and still work.

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Surely they sound great too. Noise reduction and all

I mean, of course my earbuds sound like garbage, but the airpod max should not break from sweat lol.

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[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Max might have more questionable design decisions than any Apple product in history

[–] upsurge@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (29 children)

The Magic Mouse would like a word.

[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Magic Mouse: charging port on bottom

AirPods Max: can’t turn off without putting in case, can’t use wired, condensation death

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[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

And the puck mouse.

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