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Judge partially strikes down Georgia ban on giving voters food and water in polling lines (www.cnn.com)
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A federal judge on Friday narrowed a section of Georgia election law that banned the practice of handing out food and water to voters waiting in line to cast ballots, as well as halted enforcement of a requirement that voters put their birth dates on the outer envelope of their ballots.

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[–] neptune@dmv.social 72 points 1 year ago (2 children)

His ruling on so-called line-warming allowed the ban to still be enforced in what he dubbed the “buffer zone” around a polling place, within 150 feet of the building where ballots are being cast. But he paused enforcement of the ban in the “supplemental zone,” or additional areas that are within 25 feet of a voter standing in line.

If I understand it, should allow relief to a really long line. Stupid that money is free speech but passing out sandwiches sometimes isn't. Step in the right direction I guess?

Now they will just make the voting line snake around the building within the 150 ft 🙄

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Step in right direction after taking a 5 minute jog towards fascist hell

[–] somewhiteguy@infosec.pub 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The problem is that campaigns will use snacks and water to campaign as close to polling places as possible. That's what the law is trying to prevent, so that there aren't 15 10'X10' tents with names emblazoned on top just to garner more votes.

How you solve for that is: No branding or signage beyond "Free Water" or "Free Refreshments" and workers are not allowed to speak to anyone. Just place things on a table. Campaigns can setup tents, refreshments outside of a new buffer, 300 ft. Or, OR, just ban campaigns from setting up tents. If it's found, they forfeit the election.

But, we all know that legislatures aren't about making common sense laws.

Update: I appreciate all of the responses. I've read up more on this law, and ya'll are right. The way it's written, and how it's communicated are different. I'm leaving my original comment up for clarity. Discourse is good and I appreciate the softer approaches along with some of the more angry of you.

[–] wagoner@infosec.pub 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the deceit of these laws. They pretend to be about a genuine "problem", giving a degree of plausibility, just like you are doing now. But we should not be fooled. The real motivation is to deter voting by non GOP groups.

In this case, consider which areas have long lines and which don't. You're not sure? Look at which areas have had the number of voting places reduced. Look at which groups find it difficult to vote during weekday working hours, and who is limiting weekend voting and early/late voting hours.

It's always been illegal to campaign within X feet of a polling place. Banning water and snacks is irrelevant to that. You could never just set up campaigning tents anywhere you wanted. Was there really an epidemic of lawless tent-weilding water and snacks givers before this law? "How do you solve for that?" You don't because it's not a real problem, the law is simply designed to make it difficult to stay in line in mainly non GOP overloaded voting places, to make people give up and go home.

[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But you already weren't allowed to campaign within 150ft of a poling place or 25ft of a voter standing in line. So, that would have already been a solved issue.

This is from the 2010 GA code.

O.C.G.A. 21-2-414 (2010)

(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign literature, newspaper, booklet, pamphlet, card, sign, paraphernalia, or any other written or printed matter of any kind, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition or conduct any exit poll or public opinion poll with voters on any day in which ballots are being cast:

(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established;

(2) Within any polling place; or

(3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.

Edit: I personally believe that the food and water restriction was to make people not want to stick out waiting 2+ hours in line. Unfortunately people seem to have to wait multiple hours every election.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's 100% another move by republicans to block black voters. There won't be lines where the white voters are a majority.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There won’t be lines where the white voters are a majority

This is the biggest reason that compulsory voting like we have in Australia is so good.

It's not a violation of free speech at all. You can always choose to just hand in a blank or deliberately-spoilt ballot.

But what it does mean is that the Government is forced to provide adequate resources to polling places to ensure that everyone is able to conveniently vote. You can't get away with nearly as much voter suppression when everyone has to vote.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't help but feel this is an optimistic view. There's plenty of things everyone has to do in America that are still much more convenient or differently funded in rich or white areas. For example, going to school or getting government ID.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you're legally required to vote but voting is made into a very painful experience, who are you going to vote for? The guy that made it very difficult?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Sure, if you haven't been brainwashed into believing it was the other guy who made it very difficult.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If the voting experience is sufficiently onerous, people will still not vote and pay the penalty (or go to jail). Then it'll be just another tax/burdon on people in disadvantaged areas.

Looks like Western Australia charges $50 for repeated failure to vote. $50 Australian ($31 USD) to not take off work to stand in line for 3 hours getting sunburnt? That's less than minimum wage in my state. It would make financial sense to just go to work and pay the penalty, ignoring the less tangible potential long-term benefit of effecting change in favor of paying rent.

[–] Nottalottapies@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Except voting day in Australia is on a weekend, not during the week. And there are also pre polling centres, where if you plan to be away on vacation or working on voting day, you can go along to a pre poll centre and vote weeks in advance. Australia also has mail in and even telephone voting for those unable to visit these centres.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Some would, for sure. But some would stick it out. And even in many areas thought of as deeply red, the margin required to flip the result is not that much. If you have a previous voter turnout of 2/3, and just 1/4 of the previous non-voters end up voting because it's mandatory, that's an 8 point swing. That would have been enough to swing 4 more states in 2020, as well as Maine's 2nd district. Or if it were the Democrats responsible for attempted voter suppression, those same stats would see 7 states plus Nevada's 2nd flip to Republican. That's looking at the presidential race because the stats were easiest to find and compare, but it's likely even more pertinent in congressional races. Enough of the races would be close enough to basically guarantee the side supporting people's democratic rights will win a majority of seats.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I don’t see this working at all. If it does for you guys, that’s great, but we’re talking places where voting rights are already protected. None of these laws actually prevent people from voting, but can discourage enough to make a difference. Even if it’s partisan, the results skew quite racist. It’s only a few places in the US where officials think they can get away with this, but it’s definitely huge news.

Fr a specific example, I believe there was something in Texas like one place to drop off mail in votes per county. Maybe that’s even reasonable in most counties, but not when one county is the city of Houston. Do you really think a measly fine would make people endure that wait?

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only these states would make voting free, easy and accessible so lines wouldn't get so long that people need food and water to survive while waiting to fucking vote? But nope. Clinging to power is more important than the survival of humanity.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's the thing which seems so barbaric to me. I'm in a state with 100% mail-in ballots, and I've never stood in a line to vote. Neither has anyone else in my state since mail-in became the standard.

When turnout is really, really high, there might be, like, four people ahead of me if I've procrastinated and missed the mail-in date and have to use a ballot drop-box.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you see letting people vote is woke or communist, or whatever word Bingo the right has decided.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It's duckspeak, and the fact that it's so effective is horrifying. They go around making literally meaningless word-like noises - not one of them could coherently define either "woke" or "communist" if you offered them a million dollars to do it - and yet they squawk both words endlessly.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And I’m in a state where I never really waited in line even before mail in voting was expanded.

My voting place has always been the nearby elementary school, and I usually go at peak time, on my way to or from work. Yes, admittedly I’ve had to wait outside the classroom for a minute or two, but that’s not the kind of line we’re talking about

Actually, it’s always been so easy to vote, that I usually Fido t bother with all the effort to find the mail in ballot and take it all the way to a mailbox

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The law is trying to discourage people from voting. It's sad that you either can't see that or you pretend not to.

[–] Eranziel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think most people with critical thought realize that's the true intent. But the mask-on justification is to prevent campaigning at the polling line.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was gonna try to explain it, but @lolcatnip said it more succinctly than I would. I'll just chime in to say that this is disingenuous:

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said in a statement that the decision “should have limited effect.”

“Due to the good work that both the state and county election officials have done to ensure short lines for voters, this decision should have limited effect,” he said. “I am grateful that the ban on giving things of value to voters remains in place within 150 feet of the polling place. All voters should have the right to cast their vote in peace without being subject to potentially unwanted solicitations.”

As if anyone standing in line hasn't already made up their mind. "Oh, a bottle of water when I've been in line for an hour? Guess I'll vote for your guy because I'm a thoughtless idiot."

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Due to the good work that both the state and county election officials have done to ensure short lines for voters

Of course this is the real answer, if it is true. It’s not just suffering in the heat that would make people disinclined to vote, but the line itself. Somehow I doubt they’ve really shortened the lines in places where “those people” vote.

I’ve never in my life had to wait in a line long enough to matter, since I live where we encourage people to vote. Of course it’s also a mostly white suburb, so I could be totally off-base

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

PSA: If you even have the notion of a feeling that a food truck outside the building could decide the person you vote for, please never vote in politics.

[–] blabber6285@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But it does whether you think it should. That's the very reason why all political messaging is forbidden close to voting stations.

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Laughs in Bill Clinton touring polling stations during election

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 61 points 1 year ago

Republicans exist to do evil.

[–] lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"How dare you," checks notes, "give people water."

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

If you are the party of denying people waiting water, you might want to consider that you are the badie... Oh who am I kidding Republicans are too stupid for that kind of reflection