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[–] Kerrigor@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)
  • Geography
  • Geology
  • Giraffe
  • Generous

Just a few examples that come to mind. Additionally, the pronunciation of the individual words included in an acronym DOES NOT determine the pronunciation of that acronym. See SCUBA as an example.

[–] glennglog22@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Good and very informative, thank you.

I'm still gonna pronounce it (G)IF though.

This, and Gig Git Girl Gibbon Gift Gill Giddy Gigahertz Gimmick Gizzard

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[–] Cronization@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Counterpoint: Gift

Literally has gif in it and is pronounced with a hard 'g'.

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[–] Rhaedas@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

JPEG is the best direct example. Who pronounces the F sound?

[–] FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For your SCUBA example, is it the U you're talking about?

Underwater vs oonderwater?

Scuhba vs Scooba?

[–] theUnlikely@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Scuhba has me laughing.

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[–] NewEnglandRedshirt@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Obviously it's pronounced the same as the the "g" in "gigantic"

[–] MD756@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I never realized how contradictory this word is. Thank you

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[–] sulungskwa@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I used to be adament about gif with a hard G until I had a coworker insist that sudo was pronounced soodoo rather than pseudo. like yeah, I know it stands for sUpEr uSeR dO but you can never get me to not say it the other way.

[–] WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi 7 points 1 year ago

In my head I thought of it like a psuedo su and thought sudo was clever, then learning it is like soodoo and I'm highly disappointed. I still say it like psuedo in my head. I use arch btw.

[–] Neil@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I've been using Linux for like 18 years and I will never say soodoo. I will die on this hill.

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[–] ren@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gerry the gentle giraffe went to the gym with the generous gem of a gymnast Geoffrey (the giant ginger who wears gentlemen’s hair gel and studies geometry). Genius!

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

That's the gist, generally. Then, gyrating, giblets jiggling , he mixed a gigantic gin and ginseng.

[–] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The creator of the format says "JIF", so I say it as well.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (13 children)

He came out with that after almost 30 years of watching people fight over it. Yeah no, I've been saying [G]IF since 1996 and it's not changing now. He can shove his JIF where the sun doesn't shine.

[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

It’s well documented going all the way back to 1987 when the format was first coined that it was always a soft g. Compuserve had it in their official memos. An early gif had the pronunciation embedded as a comment in its code. Witnesses attested that the creator would go around the office saying, “Choosy developers use gif,” a play on “Choosy moms choose Jiff.”

[–] snowe@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

No he didn’t. They literally sold it as “choosy developers choose gif”. It was part of the marketing to software devs. He didn’t feel the need to say anything on fucking stage until normies started using it and couldn’t understand context.

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[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is there anything, at all, that I can do, to convince you, that you sound, like an idiot?

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] darkpanda@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The creator of the format, Steve Wihite, says it’s pronounced as JIF, but personally I still say GIF out of habit.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/tech/web/pronounce-gif/index.html

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's like hearing people who work at Asus call it Asus instead of Asus.

The only reason they're saying it's Asus is because they have to. They say Asus like everyone else at home.

Also, after a certain amount of time, the word you made up is no longer yours. That be how language works yo.

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[–] Driftking@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nonono, you don't understand, flame wars build character! 'Twere the early aughts that made me the healthy and well adjusted person I am today!

Or at least, that's what I'd say if what actually happened wasn't that I became a jaded bastard and if I didn't think it was just some ploy to drive engagement to let OP feel powerful for a moment...

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[–] ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, you see, the g in gif stands for "graphics" which is ultimately from Greek "γραφικός," and because this is the 21st century, γ in front of a close front vowel is pronounced as neither /g/ nor /d͡ʒ/ but rather /ʝ/, which is pronounced a bit like English's y, so in its purest rendition gif is really pronounced "yiff", which doubles as homage to the online communities that OP frequents.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you're supposed to pronounce it based on the original word instead of how the person who invented it says it, then I'd like to see giff crusaders take on everyone's terrible pronunciation of words like SCUBA (the U stands for underwater, so should be UH not EW) and NASA (the first A stands for aeronautics so should be pronounced Nair-sa).

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[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Gesus Christ

Blame english instead of people probouncing the wrong way. English don't give a fucking clue about pronounciation only using letters.

So I can pronounce Blamei as Lemmy. [B silent, a - e sound, mm and m can be pronounced same, and ei can be read as y]

[–] veloxization@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

I switch up my pronunciation on a whim to cause maximum chaos.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Good, the blood of Eden shall rise

[–] WYLD_STALLYNS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Looks like the Jif crowds downvote bombing, yikes.

So I’m upvoting everyone, let’s try and keep this civil and downvotes out of this! Both sides are technically correct, correcting each other is divisive and playing into trolling.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Honestly who cares at the end of the day, even if one is technically correct enough people pronounce it the "wrong" way that it's like trying to unpop a baloon

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[–] Fpsfrank85@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I’ve heard it both ways

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Some arguments that people keep bringing up that are all wrong and carry zero weight in this discussion:

  • The creator says it's JIF
  • It's like Gift, but without the T
  • It's like Giraffe, but without the raffe
  • It stands for "Graphics Interchange Format" so it's GIF
  • My dictionary says it's GIF
  • My dictionary says it's JIF
  • Obama says it's GIF
  • Giphy says it's GIF

Ultimately, language is very dynamic and changes all the time. Words change their spelling, their meaning and their pronunciation too. Dictionaries tend to lag behind a little bit, but the fact that they publish a new version every year signifies how much languages change. The creator of a word can coin a pronunciation, but ultimately has zero control over whether it will be adopted or not.

So therefore whichever way most people actually pronounce it is by definition the correct pronunciation. And the polls done on this subject are pretty clear, showing that GIF is the preferred pronunciation, chosen by up to 70% in North America and over 80% in Australia and the UK. This depends on which poll you use, but in general the split is at least 2:1 in favour of GIF, and over time the usage of GIF tends to trend up over time.

So ultimately, the one true pronunciation is GIF, as decided by the people as a whole. However, most dictionaries do list JIF as an accepted alternative pronunciation, due to the not insignificant minority pronouncing it that way.

In other words, just choose which pronunciation you prefer, and use that. And try to avoid the pointless debates people like to have on the subject, filled with arguments that don't carry any weight whatsoever.

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